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And this kids dad was just an honest shoe salesman out for a drive in Yemen!  


We hold these truths to be self evident; that all men are created equal... not just within the US borders.

Innocent until proven guilty...not until government authorized execution based on secret knowledge.

Name the charges he was found guilty of and the specific laws he broke that mandate execution of him
and anyone nearby him.

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Bill Clinton targeted BinLaden in the 90's and almost killed him, but decided not to take the risk of killing
unidentified 'others' in the attack.  Bin Laden was never targeted again until after he killed 3500 people
in the Sept 11th attacks.  

If today's Predator Drones were available to Clinton, the Sept 11 attacks would have never happened... and
3500 would not have died there.

You may look at AlQaeda as just a bunch of misunderstood gentlemen... but the rest of the worlds sees
them for what they are.


I must have missed the Osama Bin Laden trial.

I wasn't aware that he was found guilty of anything.

Except of hating murder loving, due process trampling,  Constitution burning Americans.

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Bill Clinton targeted BinLaden in the 90's and almost killed him, but decided not to take the risk of killing
unidentified 'others' in the attack.  Bin Laden was never targeted again until after he killed 3500 people
in the Sept 11th attacks.  


Numbskullness.

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If today's Predator Drones were available to Clinton, the Sept 11 attacks would have never happened... and
3500 would not have died there.


Predator drones are the reason they hate us now. If Clinton had them even more would hate us now,
and several attacks may have already happened.

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You may look at AlQaeda as just a bunch of misunderstood gentlemen... but the rest of the worlds sees
them for what they are.


The rest of the world uses the innocent until proven guilty method.

Perhaps if the US was active in the ICC they wouldn't be considered rogue terrorists.

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where was the eminent danger? did he have a bomb he was delivering? Did he have a gun pointed at someone? The SWAT argument is weak...


WMDs.

The universal death warrant.

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Anwar al-Awlaki was probably involved in a dozen terrorist plots, and had facilitated the death of 13 people
at Fort Hood,Tex. as well as the underwear bomber and the Times Square bomber that failed.
  Both of these attacks would have killed multiple Americans, except they were discovered by chance.  
The CIA had been looking for this 'terrorist' for over 2 years and the window for action was very tight.
Had they not acted when they did, it might be years, and dozens of bombing plots later, before they
might have another chance.

(As far as I know, except for his time as a soldier, Adolph Hitler never actually killed anyone personally either,
but had facilitated the death of millions.)


War was declared.

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Yup, and the Nazi's had access to courts and due process.  Murdered U.S. citizen?  NO!   Not even after they killed him did a court hear the governments case against him to justify the murder.  

It amazes me that a liberal supports extrajudicial executions of American citizens using such a weak argument like he was "probably" involved in facilitating failed terror plots.


I'll try again, leaving out the Hitler reference, since it seems to be your sticking point.

Anwar al-Awlaki was probably involved in a dozen terrorist plots, and had facilitated the death of 13 people
at Fort Hood,Tex. as well as the underwear bomber and the Times Square bomber that failed.
  Both of these attacks would have killed multiple Americans, except they were discovered by chance.  
The CIA had been looking for this 'terrorist' for over 2 years and the window for action was very tight.
Had they not acted when they did, it might be years, and dozens of bombing plots later, before they
might have another chance.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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I'll try again, leaving out the Hitler reference, since it seems to be your sticking point.

Anwar al-Awlaki was probably involved in a dozen terrorist plots, and had facilitated the death of 13 people
at Fort Hood,Tex. as well as the underwear bomber and the Times Square bomber that failed.
  Both of these attacks would have killed multiple Americans, except they were discovered by chance.  
The CIA had been looking for this 'terrorist' for over 2 years and the window for action was very tight.
Had they not acted when they did, it might be years, and dozens of bombing plots later, before they
might have another chance.


"Probably" - really?  That's all it takes in American to be executed by our government?  

If he was "probably" involved with a dozen terrorist plots, than the Administration should have no problem rolling out the evidence to a court and allow an attorney representing Al-Awlaki to defend the charges.  Sounds like an air tight case - probably.


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"Probably" - really?  That's all it takes in American to be executed by our government?  

If he was "probably" involved with a dozen terrorist plots, than the Administration should have no problem rolling out the evidence to a court and allow an attorney representing Al-Awlaki to defend the charges.  Sounds like an air tight case - probably.



Probable cause will get you executed if you resist enough. Happens every day in the US.

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"Probably" - really?  That's all it takes in American to be executed by our government?  

If he was "probably" involved with a dozen terrorist plots, than the Administration should have no problem rolling out the evidence to a court and allow an attorney representing Al-Awlaki to defend the charges.  Sounds like an air tight case - probably.


Lets see... first it was Hitler... now Probably...
Try #3

Anwar al-Awlaki was probably involved in a dozen terrorist plots, and had facilitated the death of 13 people
at Fort Hood,Tex.
as well as the underwear bomber and the Times Square bomber that failed.
  Both of these attacks would have killed multiple Americans, except they were discovered by chance.  
The CIA had been looking for this 'terrorist' for over 2 years and the window for action was very tight.
Had they not acted when they did, it might be years, and dozens of bombing plots later, before they
might have another chance.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Looks like L4Life is off on day two of his "Rant Fest"!  


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The Connecticut school massacre:
How the world sees us

~ Canada's The Globe and Mail:
There is something inexorable about the phenomenon of mass shootings in the United States. We have
been forced to write about it with tragic regularity for years. We have exhausted adjectives to describe
our horror and revulsion. We have stated and restated the problem…
The time for platitudes is past, Mr. President. It’s time the U.S. cured its gun sickness.

~Briain Masters at Britain's The Telegraph:
In Arizona, where the attempted assassination of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and the slaughter of
six others took place last year, almost anyone can have a permit to carry a concealed weapon and be
allowed to take guns into a bar (where presumably they are going to drink something more potent than
lemonade); that same state's legislators have talked about passing laws permitting teachers and students
to carry their guns to school with them. Such is the contagion of madness.

~ Germany's Die Tageszeitung:
Beyond the individual state of the killer, the U.S. has a national pathology.
This madness can only — if at all — be stopped in moments like this one. Against the tragic backdrop
of 20 murdered children. And of a president like Barack Obama who has just won an election. The right
wing has been pushed back a little, the public is appalled by the massacre.

~Anne Davies at Australia's Sydney Morning Herald:
To Australians it seems incredible that U.S. politicians will not move to control guns. It seems illogical
in the face of global statistics and our own experience of the success of the gun amnesty.
The bigger task for American is to become a gentler, more trusting society, so that school children
do not have to be drilled in cowering in store rooms.


~ Chemi Shalev at Israel's Haaretz:
These unthinkable but nonetheless recurring bloodbaths by shooting are peculiarly, if not exclusively,
American, a stain on its image that gets brutally bigger as time goes by.


~Tzipi Shmilovitz at Israel's Yedioth Ahronoth:
America is not ready to talk about how it is easier to get a handgun than it is to see a doctor, not
ready to speak about the video games that have extreme violence. It is just willing to sweep up
everything under the carpet of tears.

http://theweek.com/article/index/237955/the-connecticut-school-massacre-how-the-world-sees-us


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Lets see... first it was Hitler... now Probably...
Try #3

Anwar al-Awlaki was probably involved in a dozen terrorist plots, and had facilitated the death of 13 people
at Fort Hood,Tex.
as well as the underwear bomber and the Times Square bomber that failed.
  Both of these attacks would have killed multiple Americans, except they were discovered by chance.  
The CIA had been looking for this 'terrorist' for over 2 years and the window for action was very tight.
Had they not acted when they did, it might be years, and dozens of bombing plots later, before they
might have another chance.


I'll try again.

You are taking the word of the government killers without a chance for the US citizen to defend against the charges.  What you are citing IS propaganda put out by the Administration.

Why did you cross out the sentence with "probably" in it?  You realized how flawed your argument is?


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I'll try again.

You are taking the word of the government killers without a chance for the US citizen to defend against the charges.  What you are citing IS propaganda put out by the Administration.

Why did you cross out the sentence with "probably" in it?  You realized how flawed your argument is?


Your BFFL is PROBABLY implicated in several other terror incidents... that has yet to be determined...
  But he IS involved in severa terror attacks and was, at the time that Predator Drone blew
him to pieces, in the process of orchestrating several more.
The choice...
A.  Let your buddy carry out his mission (at great loss of human life)
or
B.  Fly a drone up his @ss!

I opt for B  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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The Connecticut school massacre:
How the world sees us

~ Canada's The Globe and Mail:
There is something inexorable about the phenomenon of mass shootings in the United States. We have
been forced to write about it with tragic regularity for years. We have exhausted adjectives to describe
our horror and revulsion. We have stated and restated the problem…
The time for platitudes is past, Mr. President. It’s time the U.S. cured its gun sickness.

~Briain Masters at Britain's The Telegraph:
In Arizona, where the attempted assassination of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and the slaughter of
six others took place last year, almost anyone can have a permit to carry a concealed weapon and be
allowed to take guns into a bar (where presumably they are going to drink something more potent than
lemonade); that same state's legislators have talked about passing laws permitting teachers and students
to carry their guns to school with them. Such is the contagion of madness.

~ Germany's Die Tageszeitung:
Beyond the individual state of the killer, the U.S. has a national pathology.
This madness can only — if at all — be stopped in moments like this one. Against the tragic backdrop
of 20 murdered children. And of a president like Barack Obama who has just won an election. The right
wing has been pushed back a little, the public is appalled by the massacre.

~Anne Davies at Australia's Sydney Morning Herald:
To Australians it seems incredible that U.S. politicians will not move to control guns. It seems illogical
in the face of global statistics and our own experience of the success of the gun amnesty.
The bigger task for American is to become a gentler, more trusting society, so that school children
do not have to be drilled in cowering in store rooms.


~ Chemi Shalev at Israel's Haaretz:
These unthinkable but nonetheless recurring bloodbaths by shooting are peculiarly, if not exclusively,
American, a stain on its image that gets brutally bigger as time goes by.


~Tzipi Shmilovitz at Israel's Yedioth Ahronoth:
America is not ready to talk about how it is easier to get a handgun than it is to see a doctor, not
ready to speak about the video games that have extreme violence. It is just willing to sweep up
everything under the carpet of tears.

http://theweek.com/article/index/237955/the-connecticut-school-massacre-how-the-world-sees-us

Please... we have a long way to go before we exterminate six million (Germany), or have teachers carry guns in the classroom(Israel)

But, it's refreshing these Countries see us for more than a financial aid station that pays for their defense or supports their country through tourism.


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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Your BFFL is PROBABLY implicated in several other terror incidents... that has yet to be determined...
  But he IS involved in severa terror attacks and was, at the time that Predator Drone blew
him to pieces, in the process of orchestrating several more.
The choice...
A.  Let your buddy carry out his mission (at great loss of human life)
or
B.  Fly a drone up his @ss!

I opt for B  


Why are you and your president against a trial to prove the probable cause then?  It may have been justified, but the facts haven't been verified through due process.  You have no desire to allow US citizens check the power of the government to execute a citizen even AFTER THE FACT.

You have homicidal tendencies so I'm not surprised you choose B to support killing without ever having to justify it.



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