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A new Pew Research poll finds that when it comes to the reaching an agreement to avoid the fiscal
cliff, 55% say President Obama is making a serious effort to work with Republicans.
But just 32% say Republican leaders are making a serious effort to work with Obama on a deficit deal.

Obama's first post-reelection job approval rating has risen to 55%, up five points since July and 11
points since the start of the year.

Just 25% approve of the way Republican leaders in Congress are doing their jobs, while 40% approve
of Democratic leaders' job performance.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for
GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'

Melania is a bimbo... she is there to look at, not to listen to. --- Box A Rox and his 'War on Women'

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Buck is still having problems dealing with the Obama reelection... Since he no longer cares about
America, he assumes every one else feels the same way!  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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I want NO deal.. let the cliff happen...It will be good for the long term health of the country. It's medicine like we should have taken in 2009. Whoever gets voted out of office, I really don't care. If they don't have the courage to tell the American people that acting like Greece isn't sustainable, then good riddance.


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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I want NO deal.. let the cliff happen...It will be good for the long term health of the country. It's medicine like we should have taken in 2009. Whoever gets voted out of office, I really don't care. If they don't have the courage to tell the American people that acting like Greece isn't sustainable, then good riddance.


In 2009, the country was still in free fall and the GOP was still in denial.  The GOP solution then (and now) is
still "TAX CUTS for the Rich/Spending Cuts for the Poor."


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In 2009, the country was still in free fall and the GOP was still in denial.  The GOP solution then (and now) is
still "TAX CUTS for the Rich/Spending Cuts for the Poor."


And Dems countered by spending money we don't have....Stop with the pro-wrestling mentality of good guys and bad guys..

Both parties only care about the next election, not the long term good of the country, both from a fiscal standpoint and cultural one. Watch the "agreement" that happens...it will be another "kick the can down the road" scenario masked as some bi-partisan success... and the middle class will get screwed again...they either get to subsidize the rich, or pay for the non-producing entitlement check cashers.


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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And Dems countered by spending money we don't have....Stop with the pro-wrestling mentality of good guys and bad guys..

Both parties only care about the next election, not the long term good of the country, both from a fiscal standpoint and cultural one. Watch the "agreement" that happens...it will be another "kick the can down the road" scenario masked as some bi-partisan success... and the middle class will get screwed again...they either get to subsidize the rich, or pay for the non-producing entitlement check cashers.

You already summed up your view of America above:
You Don't Care... Not Even A Little...You're Serious!

Unlike you, many Americans, both Left, Right and Center, still do care.


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Buck is still having problems dealing with the Obama reelection... Since he no longer cares about
America, he assumes every one else feels the same way!  


No I don't. I haven't made any political viewpoints since the election.

Just like in Schenectady, the people deserve the government they elected.

Your the one posting the constant 'cheerleader' threads that nobody really cares about.

Kinda surprised you wern't bussed in with your union brothers to partake in the 'peaceful' protest that resulted in broken teeth, destroying a tent with old people and kids in it, and the destruction of vendors carts.




"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for
GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'

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You already summed up your view of America above:
You Don't Care... Not Even A Little...You're Serious!

Unlike you, many Americans, both Left, Right and Center, still do care.


You're consistent Box, I'll give you that. You're consistent in cherry picking opposing statements, sticking to the party line, ignoring views you either can't or don't want to debate, all to support your primary goal which is trolling this board.

Once again, reading comprehension seems to be an issue as you missed (ignored is probably a better word) my view that the fiscal cliff should happen for the long term health of the Country.

But, there are certain entities I do not care about...those being the self-serving political vermin on both sides that allowed this Country to get into this mess.

And far as everyone caring, when you take of your Nirvana glasses, you'll realize most of them care about what will happen to THEM...not the Country..
as in..
Will I have still have tax shelters?
Will I pay more taxes?
Will I still get my check?

You can't blame them though, its the result of a couple of generations worth of brainwashing.


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The thread concerned polls showing "who America will blame for going over the cliff".  If you don't want to
participate inthat particular thread... if you have nothing to post, then post nothing!  I ignore lots of posts
here that don't interest me or that I have no opinion.  
Responding that "no one cares" because You Don't Care, presumes that the rest of America is as jaded
as you are.  Are you really that threatened by a few polls that disagree with your view?  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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The thread concerned polls showing "who America will blame for going over the cliff".  If you don't want to
participate inthat particular thread... if you have nothing to post, then post nothing!  I ignore lots of posts
here that don't interest me or that I have no opinion.  
Responding that "no one cares" because You Don't Care, presumes that the rest of America is as jaded
as you are.  Are you really that threatened by a few polls that disagree with your view?  


Once again... a reading comprehension issue..
Maybe these sites will help:
http://www.scholastic.com/resources/article/reading-comprehension
http://learningdisabilities.about.com/od/instructionalmaterials/tp/rdgcompretensn.htm
http://www.pickthebrain.com/blog/improve-reading-comprehension/

Maybe once you go through these programs you'll realize that
A. I do care and think letting the cliff happen is the best option
b. No where in your original start to this thread does it say "who America will blame for going over the cliff", but instead is just another attempt at your ad Naseum Dems good, pubs bad mantra.
c. from what you posted, the poll is not about whether Americans care if we go over the cliff, it's about who is making a serious effort..
d. You got lost in your own thread when you tried to make it about who gets blamed...probably due to your famous habit of editing for affect...


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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The thread concerned polls showing "who America will blame for going over the cliff".  If you don't want to
participate inthat particular thread... if you have nothing to post, then post nothing!  I ignore lots of posts
here that don't interest me or that I have no opinion.  
Responding that "no one cares" because You Don't Care, presumes that the rest of America is as jaded
as you are.  Are you really that threatened by a few polls that disagree with your view?  




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Once again... a reading comprehension issue..
Maybe these sites will help:
http://www.scholastic.com/resources/article/reading-comprehension
http://learningdisabilities.about.com/od/instructionalmaterials/tp/rdgcompretensn.htm
http://www.pickthebrain.com/blog/improve-reading-comprehension/

Maybe once you go through these programs you'll realize that
A. I do care and think letting the cliff happen is the best option
b. No where in your original start to this thread does it say "who America will blame for going over the cliff", but instead is just another attempt at your ad Naseum Dems good, pubs bad mantra.
c. from what you posted, the poll is not about whether Americans care if we go over the cliff, it's about who is making a serious effort..
d. You got lost in your own thread when you tried to make it about who gets blamed...probably due to your famous habit of editing for affect...


LOL Boxy got owned!





"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for
GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'

Melania is a bimbo... she is there to look at, not to listen to. --- Box A Rox and his 'War on Women'

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A new Pew Research poll finds that when it comes to the reaching an agreement to avoid the fiscal
cliff, 55% say President Obama is making a serious effort to work with Republicans.
But just 32% say Republican leaders are making a serious effort to work with Obama on a deficit deal.

Obama's first post-reelection job approval rating has risen to 55%, up five points since July and 11
points since the start of the year.

Just 25% approve of the way Republican leaders in Congress are doing their jobs, while 40% approve
of Democratic leaders' job performance.


and almost 40% of Americans believe in UFO's  ...  they (the ones who think Obama is making a serious effort and is doing a good job)  are just nothing but damn fools


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
Lyndon Baines Johnson
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f Washington is looking for guidance on the fiscal cliff, voters are sending mixed signals.

A majority says major spending cuts are necessary to solve the country’s budget woes -- that solely raising taxes on taxpayers earning more than $250,000 isn’t enough. Even so, the most popular proposal among voters for reducing the deficit is -- you guessed it -- raising taxes on the rich.  

In addition, while a majority of Republicans (59 percent) thinks major cuts to entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare should be made now, even if it is tough on families, a majority of Democrats (52 percent) thinks those programs should continue to be funded at their current levels, even if it means passing on trillions of dollars of debt to future generations.

That’s according to a Fox News poll released Wednesday.

Overall, 61 percent of voters say major spending cuts are necessary to reduce the deficit, while 33 percent think increasing taxes on high earners would be enough. Half of Democrats think taxing the rich is all that is needed. By contrast, majorities of Republicans (77 percent) and independents (62 percent) think cutting spending is also necessary.  

If income taxes go up, almost all voters -- 89 percent -- think President Obama should agree to make major cuts in government spending as well. That includes 83 percent of Democrats, 91 percent of independents and 95 percent of Republicans.  

Meanwhile, by a 53-36 percent margin, voters think Obama will use the money from tax hikes primarily to increase government spending rather than to reduce the deficit.

Nearly 7 voters in 10 are “very” interested in the budget situation the federal government is facing. The so-called “fiscal cliff” means that unless the president and Congress reach an agreement, on January 1 tax rates will automatically go up for almost all Americans while spending on many government programs will automatically be cut.  

By a 10-point margin, more voters than not think an agreement will be made before the deadline (51-41 percent).  

A 52-percent majority says it would be “terrible” for the economy if the country goes over the cliff, yet 37 percent say it wouldn’t be that bad. Voters are about equally likely to say it would be terrible for them personally if no agreement is reached (46 percent) as they are to say it wouldn’t be so bad for their family (44 percent).  

While 34 percent of voters think the “only way” to get the deficit under control is for the country to go over the cliff, fewer -- 12 percent -- say they actually want the nation to do so.  

One in five voters who describe themselves as “very” conservative wants the country to go over the fiscal cliff (19 percent).

More voters think the president (38 percent) has a plan to deal with the deficit issues than think the same about Republicans (26 percent). Still, majorities believe neither Obama (60 percent) nor congressional Republicans (70 percent) have a clear plan for the current situation.    

Sixty-six percent of Democrats think Obama has a plan to handle the deficit. That’s much higher than the 35 percent of Republicans who think their party leadership does.  

In general, voters think the best way to deal with the country’s deficit problem is mostly with cuts in government spending (57 percent) rather than tax increases (20 percent).  

Still, increasing taxes on incomes exceeding $250,000 a year is the most popular proposal for dealing with the deficit, with 69 percent of voters favoring that option. It’s followed by reducing the number of government employees (65 percent), reforming Social Security (56 percent) and raising the minimum eligibility age for Medicare over time from 65 to 67 years (51 percent).

Views are split on reducing the amount of deductions taxpayers can claim on their taxes:  49 percent favor this measure, while 47 percent oppose it.  

Overall, just over half of voters (51 percent) oppose reducing defense spending to help solve the budget problem. Fifty-six percent of Democrats favor cutting defense, while 65 percent of Republicans oppose it.  

Nearly 8 voters in 10 oppose introducing a national sales tax (79 percent), making it even less popular than increasing income tax rates for all Americans (70 percent oppose).

Fully 77 percent of voters believe all Americans should be required to pay some amount of federal income taxes -- even if it is as little as $100. Democrats (24 percent) and independents (22 percent) are more likely than Republicans (15 percent) to disagree with this.  

Other highlights from the poll:
-- A 57 percent majority of voters ages 55 and over favors increasing the eligibility age for Medicare over time from 65 to 67 years.

-- Republicans (60 percent) and independents (56 percent) favor increasing the eligibility age for Medicare, while 57 percent of Democrats oppose it.

-- Sixty-five percent of voters living in households with income of $100,000 and higher favor increasing taxes on those earning more than $250,000 a year.

The Fox News poll is based on landline and cellphone interviews with 1,012 randomly chosen registered voters nationwide and was conducted under the joint direction of Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R) from December 9 to December 11.  For the total

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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