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CICERO
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Buck, you keep on going after the source...I'm waiting for you to defend the citizenship laws and separate highways for Palestinians.  Those are cited in multiple sources, they are indisputable facts. I understand you would rather argue your information source straw-man argument rather than address these facts of Israeli society.  

You haven't once taken a position on the Israeli government denying citizenship for Palestinians in the West Bank that marry Arab Israeli's and family reunification.  Actually, you haven't even commented whether you believe these laws exist.  I know you're pretty savvy on the computer, I'm sure you can do a little research and find the actual law without aggrivating your news source-aphobia.

And this is the funniest.  You give a typical neocon arguing point like the well trained neocon ape. Hey Buck, Israel has UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE.  When the petition requests equal medical care for ALL, they are talking about the Palestinians that are married to Arab Israeli CITIZENS that are denied citizenship and hence DENIED THE SOCIAL MEDICAL CARE the rest of the Israeli citizens are entitled. *cough* *cough* eh..hem - Apartheid.
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In its petition to the High Court, ACRI argued that equal medical care for all of the state’s citizens was a fundamental right, and that providing different levels of care at a state subsidized medical center violated those basic rights.


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Health care in Israel is universal and participation in a medical insurance plan is compulsory. Health care coverage is administered by a small number of organizations, with funding from the government. All Israeli citizens are entitled to the same Uniform Benefits Package, regardless of which organization they are a member of, and treatment under this package is government-funded for all citizens regardless of their financial means.(Except for Palestinian's married to Arab Israeli's) Additional coverage for non-essential treatments can be arranged for a fee, which is generally shared between a citizen and their employer. Generally, health care in Israel is of high-quality and is delivered in an efficient and effective manner. Partly as a result of this, at an overall 82 years, Israelis enjoy the fourth-longest life expectancy in the world as of 2012.


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I know it doesn't seem politically correct today......but yes...jews historically were to marry jews and give birth to jewish babies.

Don't know what the motives are in 2012....but 'back in the day', it was the law of the 'jewish land'.....so to say.


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This citizenship law forbids Palestinians citizenship for those that marry Arab Israeli citizens.  Yet Jewish Americans or Jews from any other nation that marry an Israeli citizen are granted Israeli citizenship.  The argument is, is that Jewish Israelis that control the government are doing this to preserve a Jewish majority by slowing the growth of the Arab population and citizenship.


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As of 2009, over 1.6 billion or about 23% of the world population are Muslims.[1] Of these, around 62% live in Asia-Pacific,[2] 20% in the Middle East-North Africa,[3] 15% in Sub-Saharan Africa,[4] around 3% in Europe[5] and 0.3% in the Americas.[6][7][8][9]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_world


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As of 2010, the world Jewish population was estimated at 13.4 million by the North American Jewish Data Bank,[1] or less than 0.2% of the total world population (roughly one in every 514 people)
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the jews would have to be pretty hard pressed to slow this muslim population. but perhaps they are trying to guarantee the continued survival of the jewish nation.....if your theory is true.


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the jews would have to be pretty hard pressed to slow this muslim population. but perhaps they are trying to guarantee the continued survival of the jewish nation.....if your theory is true.


It isn't the world demographics of Muslims in the world, but the demographics of Arabs and Jews in the state of Israel.  Right now it is 75% Jewish, and 20% Arab and 5% other.  Growing demographic have social and political impacts.  Just look at the debate about the growing Hispanic vote in America.


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It isn't the world demographics of Muslims in the world, but the demographics of Arabs and Jews in the state of Israel.  Right now it is 75% Jewish, and 20% Arab and 5% other.  Growing demographic have social and political impacts.  Just look at the debate about the growing Hispanic vote in America.


True...but again....i think the jews are trying to guarantee their continued survival......at any cost.....even if that means using Zionism. imho


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True...but again....i think the jews are trying to guarantee their continued survival......at any cost.....even if that means using Zionism. imho


Then you agree apartheid is ok in order to give superiority to one race at the expense of another?  


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Then you agree apartheid is ok in order to give superiority to one race at the expense of another?  


I don't look at it as 'giving superiority to one race' over another. My thought is more along the lines of guaranteeing  their continued survival. And from what we are 'told', it appears that the muslims are the only people who threaten that existence.


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I don't look at it as 'giving superiority to one race' over another. My thought is more along the lines of guaranteeing  their continued survival. And from what we are 'told', it appears that the muslims are the only people who threaten that existence.


Then you admit that Israel is a racist state whose governments role is to guarantee Jewish supremacy.  Even supremacy over Christian Arabs.


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I think you guys should stop talking about a subject that you don't really understand.  None of us live there.  May I suggest you learn a little about J Street and their initiatives as well.  Perhaps you need to know about the Birthright trips.  I didn't see any of you at the talk at St. Rose when Aziz Sara came to speak.  It is possible to be a Prop Israel Pro Palestine and Pro Peace.
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I don't look at it as 'giving superiority to one race' over another. My thought is more along the lines of guaranteeing  their continued survival. And from what we are 'told', it appears that the muslims are the only people who threaten that existence.


You can't guarantee racial purity by legislation. That is insanity.

What are they the Jew Klux Klan?

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I think you guys should stop talking about a subject that you don't really understand.  None of us live there.  May I suggest you learn a little about J Street and their initiatives as well.  Perhaps you need to know about the Birthright trips.  


You are right, I don't live there.  So stop giving my tax money to the Israeli government and Palestinian Authority.  



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You are right, I don't live there.  So stop giving my tax money to the Israeli government and Palestinian Authority.  



It doesn't matter if we don't understand their life choices.

We understand that our money is being donated to them.

And all we get is a crappy 120 man US radar base in Israel.

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It doesn't matter if we don't understand their life choices.

We understand that our money is being donated to them.



Not donated but rather extracted from Americans and given to Israel to preserve Jewish supremacy.


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Then you admit that Israel is a racist state whose governments role is to guarantee Jewish supremacy.  Even supremacy over Christian Arabs.


Nope...never said they were 'racist' or used the word 'supremacy'.............It appears to me that israel is trying to guarantee their survival.....PERIOD.



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