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55tbird
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"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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Revised bill highlights


✭ Grants warrantless access to Americans' electronic correspondence to over 22 federal agencies. Only a subpoena is required, not a search warrant signed by a judge based on probable cause.

✭ Permits state and local law enforcement to warrantlessly access Americans' correspondence stored on systems not offered "to the public," including university networks.

✭ Authorizes any law enforcement agency to access accounts without a warrant -- or subsequent court review -- if they claim "emergency" situations exist.

✭ Says providers "shall notify" law enforcement in advance of any plans to tell their customers that they've been the target of a warrant, order, or subpoena.

✭ Delays notification of customers whose accounts have been accessed from 3 days to "10 business days." This notification can be postponed by up to 360 days.


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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The version of the bill that Declan McCullagh excerpts in his report appears to be one of many that
have been drafted and passed around, but is not a version that would be considered seriously at a
hearing to review the bill next week.


“Senator Leahy does not support broad carve outs for warrantless searches of email content,” says
a Senate Judiciary aide. “He remains committed to upholding privacy laws and updating the outdated
Electronic Privacy Communications Act.”

Forbes
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ka.....ven-worse-is-flawed/


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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The version of the bill that Declan McCullagh excerpts in his report appears to be one of many that
have been drafted and passed around, but is not a version that would be considered seriously at a
hearing to review the bill next week.


“Senator Leahy does not support broad carve outs for warrantless searches of email content,” says
a Senate Judiciary aide. “He remains committed to upholding privacy laws and updating the outdated
Electronic Privacy Communications Act.”

Forbes
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ka.....ven-worse-is-flawed/


The fact that version even exists at all should be troubling to you, just imagine if a pub senator had thought of it.


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The fact that version even exists at all should be troubling to you, just imagine if a pub senator had
thought of it.


Maybe one did!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Maybe one did!

Probably not, as I'm sure you'd sniff it out and hi-light it


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Probably not, as I'm sure you'd sniff it out and hi-light it


If I made the post I would look into the facts behind the story...BUT THIS IS YOUR POST not mine.
YOU posted the information, not I.  
The story as YOU posted it appears to be false or at best misleading... Why would I waste my time on
YOUR questionable post?


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Leahy denies supporting bill to allow warrantless email searches
By Brendan Sasso - 11/20/12 02:22 PM ET

A Judiciary Committee aide denied on Tuesday that Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) supports legislation that would allow government agencies to read emails, Facebook messages and other forms of electronic communication without a warrant.

CNET, a technology news site, reported on Tuesday that Leahy was backing a bill that would allow more than 22 federal agencies to read private emails without a warrant.

"CNET has it wrong," an aide tweeted from Leahy's account. "Sen. Leahy does NOT support an #ECPA exception to search warrant requirement [for] civil enforcement [for agencies] like FTC, SEC."

A Judiciary Committee aide confirmed to The Hill that Leahy "does not support broad carve-outs for warrantless email searches."

Leahy is pushing a bill that would revise the Electronic Communications Privacy Act (ECPA) of 1986. The Judiciary Committee is scheduled to vote on Leahy's measure next week.

The original version of Leahy's bill would have toughened the privacy protections of ECPA.

Under current law, police only need an administrative subpoena, issued without a judge's approval, to read emails that have been opened or that are more than 180 days old. Police simply swear an email is relevant to an investigation, and then obtain a subpoena to force an Internet company to turn it over.

Leahy's revision would require police to obtain warrants to read private emails, regardless of how old they are or whether they were opened.

Leahy, one of the original co-sponsors of ECPA, said in a statement last year that "updating this law to reflect the realities of our time is essential to ensuring that our federal privacy laws keep pace with new technologies and the new threats to our security.”

But according to CNET, Leahy agreed to weaken the bill in order to appease Republicans and law enforcement groups.

The site reported that a new version of his legislation exempted more than 22 federal agencies, including the Securities and Exchange Commission, the Federal Communications Commission, the Federal Trade Commission and the Federal Reserve, from the warrant requirement. The bill would give the FBI and the Homeland Security Department even more extensive powers in some circumstances, allowing them to gain full access to Internet accounts without notifying the owner or a judge, according to CNET.

The Judiciary Committee aide explained that discussions between lawmakers and interest groups on Leahy's bill are ongoing. The aide said it is possible that there will be "tweaks" to the bill before the committee's markup next week, but that major revisions are unlikely.

The aide said it is possible that CNET was referring to a draft of the bill circulated by other lawmakers or interest groups, but that Leahy would not support any similar proposal.

"Ideas from many sources always circulate [before] a markup [for discussion], but Sen. Leahy does NOT support such an exception for #ECPA search warrants," Leahy's account tweeted.

The account tweeted that "the whole point of the Leahy reforms is [to] require search warrants [for government] to access email stored with [third] party service providers."

But Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), the Judiciary Committee's top Republican, expressed skepticism about creating new barriers for police investigations at a committee meeting in September.

"I have heard concerns about this amendment from state and local law enforcement officials. These officials are concerned with the impact this amendment may have on law enforcement operations," Grassley said. "Specifically, I have heard concerns about how this could impact cases where time is of the essence, namely kidnapping and child abduction cases."

Grassley said he asked for input from the Justice Department, and officials told him the measure could "adversely affect the department’s activities."
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If I made the post I would look into the facts behind the story...BUT THIS IS YOUR POST not mine.
YOU posted the information, not I.  
The story as YOU posted it appears to be false or at best misleading... Why would I waste my time on
YOUR questionable post?


Unlike you, I don't make up my own posts and headlines with PART of some published story thrown in, I plain don't have the interest or time as I am not a political hack like you are.
This post is not from breibart, newsmax, or dailyKos. It's from Cnet, which is dedicated to computer and technology issues. Their articles are generally accurate. Whether this one is or not is conjecture because forbes is going on sources also. Although I'm sure with the cnet story, if there was a thought of jamming this through, it's dead now.

Like I said before, I think you mostly as just a troll, who likes nothing more than to tweak conservatives like Cicero and Benny Salami...The amount of time you spend on here almost daily and at all hours pretty much proves that out.

I watch this board, and comment on things that peak my interest. But my total time online reflects very well that  this board isn't my life  


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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Like I said before, I think you mostly as just a troll, who likes nothing more than to tweak conservatives ...


What "you think of me" is irrelevant.  I could care less.  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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