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Box A Rox
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Wrong box, you are the one that supports collective health care and forced servitude in the health industry.  

You get it WRONG AGAIN!


Yes I and a majority of Americans (and most industrialized countries of the world) support health care for
it's citizens.  

I consider health care an American right, along with a quality education.

You oppose both.    


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Yes I and a majority of Americans (and most industrialized countries of the world) support health care for
it's citizens.  

I consider health care an American right, along with a quality education.

You oppose both.    


Then don't deny you collectivist views that support state regulations modifying human behavior for the "good" of the collective state.  You support it - be proud.  Since it's majority rule, the minority must be coerced to accept and live by the majority rule.  Since you support "choice"(except for the forced servitude in the health industry) that only makes sense.


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The government don't give a rat's a$$ about the ill effects of 'smoke'!!! And the sheople only do because the government has brainwashed them into thinking it is.
Smoking is a great avenue for revenue!! Both the government (at all levels) along with the pharmacutical companies and medical providers/insurance companies use it as a 'cash cow'. Smoking will NEVER be irradicated from society. The government or the medical providers can't affort it.

Look at the money that Nicorate/chantax/patches/gum/hypnotists blah blah blah....make off this HORRIBLE ADDICTION!

But hell...........go to yer docs and they will immediately write a script for zanax, oxy (which are opiates)..........no questions asked!! TRUE!!

............and we won't even discuss the FLORIDE the government adds to our drinking water!!!

It's all about economics folks! And the sheople are willing to give up their liberties all in the name of 'man made fear'!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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This makes me sick.  It is not the issue of health but an issue of personal choice and freedom.

The Dems are taking away our freedom of choice and folks just lay down and let all this crap happen.    

Folks, I realize there are some very poor countries in the world and we have much but look at where we are headed.  The same way in a sense.  Like those countries it is oppression by those in power, no different then what is occurring here.

LESS GOV. IS MORE.  


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This makes me sick.  It is not the issue of health but an issue of personal choice and freedom.

The Dems are taking away our freedom of choice and folks just lay down and let all this crap happen.    

Folks, I realize there are some very poor countries in the world and we have much but look at where we are headed.  The same way in a sense.  Like those countries it is oppression by those in power, no different then what is occurring here.

LESS GOV. IS MORE.  

Oppression?  Yea an American with a preexisting condition trying to buy insurance is being OPPRESSED BY the
govt's failure to enact HCR sooner.

Health care in America is a RIGHT!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Just look at all the amazing innovations modern technology has given us: at-home HIV tests, motion-activated screwdrivers and self-inflating tires. It’s easy to look down on our prehistoric ancestors for their primitive, electric screwdriver-less way of life. But one scientist says we shouldn’t be so quick to judge.

In a two-part paper published in the journal Trends in Genetics, Stanford University researcher Gerald Crabtree suggests that evolution is, in fact, making us dumber — and that human intelligence may have actually peaked before our hunter-gatherer predecessors left Africa.

(MORE: Creationists Boycott Dr Pepper Over ‘Evolution of Flavor’ Ad)

The reason? Life on the veldt was tough, and prehistoric humans’ genes were constantly subjected to selective pressure in an environment where the species’ survival depended on it. For humans, that meant getting smarter. ”The development of our intellectual abilities and the optimization of thousands of intelligence genes probably occurred in relatively non-verbal, dispersed groups of peoples before our ancestors emerged from Africa,” Crabtree said in a news release.

The urbanization that followed the development of agriculture simplified survival by removing some of its challenges, which likely weakened natural selection’s ability to eliminate mutations associated with deficiencies in intelligence. Crabtree estimates that over the last 3,000 years (about 120 generations), humans have sustained at least two mutations that have eroded our intellectual and emotional intelligence.

“A hunter-gatherer who did not correctly conceive a solution to providing food or shelter probably died, along with his or her progeny, whereas a modern Wall Street executive that made a similar conceptual mistake would receive a substantial bonus and be a more attractive mate,” Crabtree wrote in the paper. He also noted that the average Athenian from 1000 B.C. would rank among the smartest and most emotionally stable in today’s society.

Not everybody agrees with Crabtree’s reasoning, however. Steve Jones, a geneticist at University College London, believes there is insufficient data to support his theory. ”Never mind the hypothesis, give me the data, and there aren’t any,” Jones told The Independent. “I could just as well argue that mutations have reduced our aggression, our depression and our penis length, but no journal would publish that. Why do they publish this?”

Crabtree does argue that no matter how deteriorated our intellectual abilities may have become over the millennia, advancements in technology will someday render these changes insignificant.

“I think we will know each of the millions of human mutations that can compromise our intellectual function and how each of these mutations interact with each other and other processes as well as environmental influences,” Crabtree said in the release. “At that time, we may be able to magically correct any mutation that has occurred in all cells of any organism at any developmental stage. Thus, the brutish process of natural selection will be unnecessary.”



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...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Health care in America is a RIGHT!


No it isn't.  It's an entitlement.  Nobody has a right to somebody else's service.  But in fascist Italy you would be dead on.

Auto mechanics should have to fix my car at everybody else's expense.  It's my RIGHT.  After all, it gets me to work that pays for my health insurance.


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Yes I and a majority of Americans (and most industrialized countries of the world) support health care for
it's citizens.  

I consider health care an American right, along with a quality education.

You oppose both.    


healthcare or medical care????

there is a difference...because here's the deal...healthcare is more personal than you think...so I support the 3 legged
race of life with you and your neighbor...you are both required to tie up your legs and go to therapy together as
life coaches for keeping each other in step for healthy choices...no participation means no medical care.....



...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Where is it stated that health-care is a right except in the DNC's dreams.
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Box your way off on this one. There are hundreds of unhealthy acts people do every day that aren't taxed at all. It's unfair to pay for your stuff on the backs of other peoples addictions.
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Box your way off on this one. There are hundreds of unhealthy acts people do every day that aren't taxed at all. It's unfair to pay for your stuff on the backs of other peoples addictions.


All I ask is that smokers pay their own way.  Smoking costs New York State taxpayers in excess of
$8 billion per year in healthcare costs. We could ask smokers to pay that bill themselves and give
all New Yorkers a $8 Billion Dollar Tax Cut... or we can continue to subsidize the actual cost of a
pack of Cancer Sticks.  




The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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All I ask is that smokers pay their own way.  Smoking costs New York State taxpayers in excess of
$8 billion per year in healthcare costs. We could ask smokers to pay that bill themselves and give
all New Yorkers a $8 Billion Dollar Tax Cut... or we can continue to subsidize the actual cost of a
pack of Cancer Sticks.  




NYS social policy cost $8 billion.  It's the forced servitude policy.


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Bad idea Box, this process could apply to alcohol use or people who eat too much and drive up health-care cost. Where does it stop.
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Bad idea Box, this process could apply to alcohol use or people who eat too much and drive up health-care cost. Where does it stop.


It starts and stop at tobacco.


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Bad idea Box, this process could apply to alcohol use or people who eat too much and drive up health-care cost. Where does it stop.


Food is a necessary item.  Wine, beer etc can be consumed safely.  An excess of food or alcohol can lead
to health risks...
but
Smoking, used as intended, in moderation, in a way that most Americans use it, Kills hundreds of thousands
of people every year.

Eat a burger, have a glass of wine, etc are safe.
Smoking one cigarette a week is not.  
There are lines drawn every day.  Most Americans are glad that all Class A Carcinogens are kept from our
kids and families as much as possible... all Class A Carcinogens except Tobacco Smoke.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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