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When you have a company that is already having difficulty with their finances why would the union demand more money when they know the company is barely staying solvent.                         Hostess filed for bankruptcy in January, its second trip to bankruptcy court since 2004. It's now owned by a group of investment firms including hedge funds Silver Point Capital and Monarch Alternative Capital.
In September, one of its major unions, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, voted narrowly to accept a new contract with reduced wages and benefits. The bakers' union rejected the deal, however, prompting Hostess management to secure permission from a bankruptcy court to force the new contract on workers.


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Typical response.  Union's taking no responsibility for their decisions.  They decided to strike and ended up out on the curb.  There are consequences for actions, and 18K people deceived by their union boss' rhetoric have woken up to a harsh reality. Too bad.

Why didn't Obama bailout their "bad management practices"?


The Union workers in this case will pay the ultimate price for their actions.  They will be out of a job.
Of course had they voted for the concessions, they still would have been out of a job, it just would have
taken a little longer to happen.


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Raising taxes kills business -- the policies of Obama and the Pelosi-Palooza is ruining this country.  It is not too soon to line up good candidates to defeat those Pelosi-Palooza neo-liberal tax and spenders in Congress at the polls in 2014.


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
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Raising taxes kills business -- the policies of Obama and the Pelosi-Palooza is ruining this country.  It is not too soon to line up good candidates to defeat those Pelosi-Palooza neo-liberal tax and spenders in Congress at the polls in 2014.


Tax and Spenders??? Really???



President Obama is calling on Congress to pass a   bill right now that would
prevent 98 percent of American families and 97 percent of small businesses
from paying higher taxes next year.


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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You are missing one important point Box, you can raise taxes when the economy is good but not when it's barely moving.
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You are missing one important point Box, you can raise taxes when the economy is good but not when it's barely moving.


The economy is barely moving BECAUSE OF THE BUSH ECONOMIC MELTDOWN, much of which was caused
by CUTTING TAXES ON THE RICH!
Had G Worst Bush raised taxes to pay for his two wars
or
Not cut taxes...
this entire mess would have been avoided.


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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It's always convenient to blame the Unions... no mention of the "consequences" of
Bad Management Practices that led to the business being unable to honor it's contracts.

In the end, upper management will get a large severance package, investors will divide up the assets and
the union workers will be out of a job, and out of a pension.  The dogs will fight for the scraps that are
left.

The 1% grow richer... the middle class drops into the working poor class... and the Right applauds.  


bad management just means satiated angry workers....just enough to met their needs...


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Just look at all the amazing innovations modern technology has given us: at-home HIV tests, motion-activated screwdrivers and self-inflating tires. It’s easy to look down on our prehistoric ancestors for their primitive, electric screwdriver-less way of life. But one scientist says we shouldn’t be so quick to judge.

In a two-part paper published in the journal Trends in Genetics, Stanford University researcher Gerald Crabtree suggests that evolution is, in fact, making us dumber — and that human intelligence may have actually peaked before our hunter-gatherer predecessors left Africa.

(MORE: Creationists Boycott Dr Pepper Over ‘Evolution of Flavor’ Ad)

The reason? Life on the veldt was tough, and prehistoric humans’ genes were constantly subjected to selective pressure in an environment where the species’ survival depended on it. For humans, that meant getting smarter. ”The development of our intellectual abilities and the optimization of thousands of intelligence genes probably occurred in relatively non-verbal, dispersed groups of peoples before our ancestors emerged from Africa,” Crabtree said in a news release.

The urbanization that followed the development of agriculture simplified survival by removing some of its challenges, which likely weakened natural selection’s ability to eliminate mutations associated with deficiencies in intelligence. Crabtree estimates that over the last 3,000 years (about 120 generations), humans have sustained at least two mutations that have eroded our intellectual and emotional intelligence.

“A hunter-gatherer who did not correctly conceive a solution to providing food or shelter probably died, along with his or her progeny, whereas a modern Wall Street executive that made a similar conceptual mistake would receive a substantial bonus and be a more attractive mate,” Crabtree wrote in the paper. He also noted that the average Athenian from 1000 B.C. would rank among the smartest and most emotionally stable in today’s society.

Not everybody agrees with Crabtree’s reasoning, however. Steve Jones, a geneticist at University College London, believes there is insufficient data to support his theory. ”Never mind the hypothesis, give me the data, and there aren’t any,” Jones told The Independent. “I could just as well argue that mutations have reduced our aggression, our depression and our penis length, but no journal would publish that. Why do they publish this?”

Crabtree does argue that no matter how deteriorated our intellectual abilities may have become over the millennia, advancements in technology will someday render these changes insignificant.

“I think we will know each of the millions of human mutations that can compromise our intellectual function and how each of these mutations interact with each other and other processes as well as environmental influences,” Crabtree said in the release. “At that time, we may be able to magically correct any mutation that has occurred in all cells of any organism at any developmental stage. Thus, the brutish process of natural selection will be unnecessary.”



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Box, Obama has been in office for 4 years and his policies haven't done anything to create jobs of improve the economy, that being said when is the unqualified president going to take responsibility for his failed policies?
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8 financially destructive years to be repaired in 4 years, even with 2 years of Dem control....NOT REALISTIC.
Hear "created jobs" a lot...what about the jobs that were saved...we lose sight of that one.
Look things need to improve, that's agreed across the aisle....what hasn't been agreed is to accompplish it without the political bullshit that has plaqued our government much more in the last 4 years than ever. Some of these Yahoo's have got to stop just running party line and start using their heads to help improve things....that is if they have the mental capability and lack the fear of being party outcasts.


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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8 financially destructive years to be repaired in 4 years, even with 2 years of Dem control....NOT REALISTIC.
Hear "created jobs" a lot...what about the jobs that were saved...we lose sight of that one.


government didn't create jobs, they ran up debt to subsidize jobs that our economy otherwise cannot sustain.  My kids should be signing these paychecks of "saved jobs".


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government didn't create jobs, they ran up debt to subsidize jobs that our economy otherwise cannot sustain.  My kids should be signing these paychecks of "saved jobs".

and the alternative was a deeper recession, more tax bruden on those working and "your kids" and a potential total collapse of our economy.....some decisions just have to be made even when there is a sacrifice involved. Unpoular...yup....burden on future....yup.....worst that alternative.....NOPE !!!



JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
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and the alternative was a deeper recession, more tax bruden on those working and "your kids" and a potential total collapse of our economy.....some decisions just have to be made even when there is a sacrifice involved. Unpoular...yup....burden on future....yup.....worst that alternative.....NOPE !!!



It's just delaying the inevitable for short term political expediency.  A recession and the liquidation of debt would allow the the natural restructuring of an honest economy.  Our creditors will call in their loans.  We will have to give them our national assets.  We'll be selling aircraft carrier to the Chinese.


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Box, Obama has been in office for 4 years and his policies haven't done anything to create jobs
of improve the economy, that being said when is the unqualified president going to take responsibility for his failed policies?


Shadow... you have the right to your own opinion but not to your own facts!
The FACTS differ with your OPINION:


US Dept of Labor
29 months of private sector JOB GROWTH!

Post what ever fiction you like Shadow but the FACTS that you ignore just shows how little you know about
the reality of the present jobs situation.

29 months of private sector JOB GROWTH!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Senders... you have the right to your own opinion but not to your own facts!
The FACTS differ with your OPINION:


US Dept of Labor
29 months of private sector JOB GROWTH!

Post what ever fiction you like Senders but the FACTS that you ignore just shows how little you know about
the reality of the present jobs situation.

29 months of private sector JOB GROWTH!


I'm sorry, did I say anything about the 'jobs'.....if you interpret what I said differently than I'm understanding it/typing it
please enlighten....



...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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I'm sorry, did I say anything about the 'jobs'.....if you interpret what I said differently than I'm understanding it/typing it
please enlighten....



My apologies Senders... My mistake!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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