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55tbird
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Quoted from Box A Rox
The Republicans worked hard to lose this election.
~ The GOP War On Women guaranteed that women would vote against Romney... 14% edge for Obama.

~ Hispanics across the country were insulted by GOP Policy... and Hispanics shunned Romney at the Polls. If
GWB had one good idea in his presidency it was to offer some type of citizenship program for illegals.  The
Republican party quashed that plan which might have given this election to Romney.

~ Rape, Abortion, Gay Marriage and PP were unnecessary issues pushed by Republicans.  The GOP could have
ignored those issues completely... much the way Climate Change was ignored by both parties. Instead those
social issues alienated those who could have helped in a Romney victory on election day.

Aside from immigration, all the issues you listed are due to the religious conservative wing of the party.
Their influence needs to be diminished at the very least for the pubs to win nationally. For the time being, they will still be a force in Congress as those are essentially local races, but even those will slip...the two nutburgers in the midwest practically handed those senate races to the Dems.


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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Cis-stop acting like a whiny baby.  Obama won despite everything.  Your candidate couldn't tell the same story twice.  He was not a strong candidate and he was not very smart pulling Paul Ryan on to the ticket.  Let's hope O will move the country forward because it sure stinks where we are now.  BTW--if your candidate had conducted himself tthe way he did during his concession speech, he probably would be President this morning.  Nobody could relate to his arrogant, rich, entitled demeanor but everyone could relate to his authentic persona last night.  Stop whining--you're worse than a little boy.


It was the uncompromising attitude that Romney displayed that cost him the election.

He was preaching right to life along with superior firepower that apologizes to no one.

No killing of the innocent except by US government authority.

Republican candidates only need to drop the extremist issues and they would win.

Taking on the right to choose crowd was a big mistake.

They chose not to let him win.

The undecideds failed to choose, since they are inherently undecided.

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Romney Did Win One thing...
We still don't know if he has paid ANY income taxes


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Romney was not a dynamic candidate, and people that voted for him in most cases did so because they hated Obama...



Absolutely true. They weren't voting on the issues. They were voting to fire Obama.
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Aside from immigration, all the issues you listed are due to the religious conservative wing of the party.
Their influence needs to be diminished at the very least for the pubs to win nationally. For the time being, they will still be a force in Congress as those are essentially local races, but even those will slip...the two nutburgers in the midwest practically handed those senate races to the Dems.


The extremist views are killing their cause. They need to stop supporting the Tea bagging Taliban members.

People are afraid of the extremists views.

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The extremist views are killing their cause. They need to stop supporting the Tea bagging Taliban members.

People are afraid of the extremists views.



Labeling people's views as "extreme" because they do not reflect yours or others views will Balkanize the nation even further.  State nullification and not national elections will be how those people voice their views.  When the federal government cracks down on nullification and states asserting states rights, social unrest will be the result.  

The republican party is destroyed.  The only coalition that can compete in national elections will be the libertarian coalition, which means allowing states to govern the electorate the nationalist label extreme.


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Labeling people's views as "extreme" because they do not reflect yours or others views


Or
Labeling views as Extreme when they ARE EXTREME:



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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Or
Labeling views as Extreme when they ARE EXTREME:


...only when the arbitors of morality like yourself think they can define a collective definition of moderate.  Your silly graph makes the assumption that the Democrat Party is moderate - it ain't.  

Killing unborn babies is an EXTREME act to many people. FORCING people to participate in a health insurance system is EXTREME to many people.  Killing U.S. citizens without due process of law is EXTREME to many people.  Bombing and killing innocent Libyans in an effort to overthrow a foreign government that is not a national security threat to the United States is EXTREME to many people

Extreme is relative to a subjective definition of moderate.  Unfortunately box, you don't get do define moderate.  I know you try your hardest to define other peoples beliefs by mocking thier beliefs whether it be religious or political.  The fact is, you don't have that power.


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Like a broken record... it just keeps repeating the same old tired phrases  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Like a broken record... it just keeps repeating the same old tired phrases  


It's only for those capable of thinking...I don't expect you to budge from you Nazi/Communist like fervor when it comes to party loyalty and crushing any dissenters that are "extreme" and don't adhere to your parties definition of moderate.  A lot of Jews were rounded up and put in internment camps as a result of your type of authoritarian thinking.


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It's only for those capable of thinking...I don't expect you to budge from you Nazi/Communist like fervor when it comes to party loyalty and crushing any dissenters that are "extreme" and don't adhere to your parties definition of moderate.  A lot of Jews were rounded up and put in internment camps as a result of your type of authoritarian thinking.


See what I mean?  
Like a broken record... it just keeps repeating the same old tired phrases.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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I don't buy it... Obama got 39% of the white vote, its not like all of the white vote went to Romney.
Romney was not a dynamic candidate, and people that voted for him in most cases did so because they hated Obama...just like Bush haters voted for Kerry in 2004. All the pubs need to do is to drop the Religious right malarkey from their platform just like the Dems did to the really left-leaners of their party.
A platform based on FISCAL conservatism CAN win nationally. The abortion issue alone probably cost Romney more than half of the 3% he was behind nationally.


I disagree....the gop platform is not the platform of choice with the new majority and won't be for decades...if ever. Obama and the entire democratic machine wasn't the least bit effected politically by a historic debt, failed stimulus, historic food stamp recipients and high unemployment. In fact it was just the reverse.....they won the day! This IS the new america.


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


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See what I mean?  
Like a broken record... it just keeps repeating the same old tired phrases.


lol!  

Not everybody can go to ThinkProgress and copy and paste. hahahahaha


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I disagree....the gop platform is not the platform of choice with the new majority and won't be for decades...if ever. Obama and the entire democratic machine wasn't the least bit effected politically by a historic debt, failed stimulus, historic food stamp recipients and high unemployment. In fact it was just the reverse.....they won the day! This IS the new america.


I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this... It was the pub positions on Abortion, Gay marriage and immigration reform that cost them this election. it was those positions that scared enough independents away.
I'll take any bet anyway you want that within the next two elections, we will have a different party in the white house... We all fall into the fallacy that we live in the most unique time...history proves that we don't..


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I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this... It was the pub positions on Abortion, Gay marriage and immigration reform that cost them this election. it was those positions that scared enough independents away.
I'll take any bet anyway you want that within the next two elections, we will have a different party in the white house... We all fall into the fallacy that we live in the most unique time...history proves that we don't..


That is my point, the reps platform and their supporters are pro-life and believe in the one man/one women marraige and real immigration reform. This election proved that the majority of americans do not share that platform. Expecting the reps to change their platform and/or ideology .....would make them dems.....no?

Libeterians won't change the american mind thought either since the majority of americans believe that the constitution is 'outdated'...'old fashioned' and not 'up to snuff' so to say with modern america.

I do not believe that this is a unique time in america......it's just evolving as it's citizens are and always have.


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In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


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