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CICERO
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Here's some good news...Less people voted than in 2008 AND in 2004.  Obama may get as many votes as McCain did in 08.

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Election 2012: Voter turnout shaping up to be lower than 2008  

WASHINGTON - A drop in voter turnout in Tuesday's election didn't keep President Barack Obama from winning a second term in the White House.

Preliminary figures suggest fewer people voted this year than four years ago, when voters shattered turnout records as they elected Obama to his first term.

In most states, the numbers are shaping up to be even lower than in 2004, said Curtis Gans, the director of American University's Center for the Study of the American Electorate. Still, the full picture may not be known for weeks, because much of the counting takes place after Election Day.

With 95 percent of precincts reporting, The Associated Press figures showed more than 117 million people had voted in the White House race. In 2008, 131 million people voted.

Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/.....n-2008#ixzz2BXu6b9Ai


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The problem is, no one wants to pay for it...


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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Cis--bottom line is HE WON!
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Cis--bottom line is HE WON!


and so did everyone else...both houses of Congress held their majorities... so what is different?


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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Quoted from Yossi
Cis--bottom line is HE WON!


That's GREAT!!!  CONGRATULATIONS!!!  Your little world is whole and complete with your selected ruler.  I'm happy for you and your emotional health.  I couldn't stand to watch you and your ilk go through 4 years of Romney Derrangement Syndome

I don't care who won...I am happy that the number participating in the fraudulent democracy is lower.  Low turnout along with the 6 out of 10 states nullifying Federal Acts is good progress.

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Nullification Results
On November 7, 2012, in In the News, by Tom Utley | Jump to Comments | Leave a Response

The election results last night were mostly disastrous, especially here in South Carolina.
However, there is one ray of hope this morning: Nullification is winning. In fact, check out this report from the Tenth Amendment Center detailing all of the nullification wins from yesterday:
In ten states – Colorado, Montana, Oregon, Washington, Wyoming, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Massachusetts and Alabama – voters had a chance to resist DC and approve ballot initiatives which would nullify unconstitutional federal acts. Six of them passed. And here’s a brief rundown of each:

1.  Montana, Referendum 122
LR-122 is an act “prohibiting the state or federal government from mandating the purchase of health insurance.”  It also prohibits the imposition of “penalties for decisions related to the purchase of health insurance coverage.”
The measure passed overwhelmingly, 65%-34%

2.  Colorado, Amendment 64
Section 3 allows the “personal use and regulation of marijuana” for adults 21 and over. Section 4 addresses legal commercial cultivation, manufacture, and sale. The intent is that marijuana be regulated in a manner similar to alcohol.
Colorado, after Washington State (info below), is the 2nd state in the country to have passed full legalization, and one of only a handful in the entire world.
The measure passed by 54%-46%

3.  Alabama, Amendment 6
This legislatively-referred amendment frees Alabama citizens from any requirement to participate in Obamacare, or any other compulsory health care program. The ballot language reads as follows:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of Alabama of 1901, to prohibit any person, employer, or health care provider from being compelled to participate in any health care system.
It passed, 59%-41%.

4.  Washington State, Initiative 502
Whatever you call the plant, Washington DC considers it dangerous and illegal. Laws on the books in Congress – illegal. The executive branch – aggressive about enforcing those laws. The supreme court – in 2005 ruled against the idea of states legalizing for any purpose.
But yet, 18 states have been standing up and defying DC on this issue by legalizing marijuana for limited medicinal purposes. Washington’s I-502 takes it a step further. It ends marijuana prohibition and treats pot in the same manner as alcohol. People are allowed to grow, produce, sell, buy and consume the plant – in direct defiance to all three branches of the federal government.
The Initiative passed, 55%-45%

5.  Wyoming,  
Wyoming voters passed a health care freedom amendment to the Declaration of Rights in the state constitution.
The Wyoming Constitution now guarantees citizens of the state the right to make their own healthcare decisions with minimal governmental interference.
Article 1, Section 38 – Right of Health Care Access
(a) Each competent adult shall have the right to make his or her own health care decisions.  The parent, guardian or legal representative of any other natural person shall have the right to make health care decisions for that person.
(b) Any person may pay, and a health care provider may accept, direct payment for health care without imposition of penalties or fines for doing so.
It passed by a huge margin, 76%-24%

6.  Massachusetts,  
A YES VOTE  on Question 3 enacted “the law eliminating state criminal and civil penalties related to the medical use of marijuana, allowing patients meeting certain conditions to obtain marijuana produced and distributed by new state-regulated centers or, in specific hardship cases, to grow marijuana for their own use.”
The 18th state to nullify federal laws on weed did it in a landslide. The final tally was 64%-36%


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November 7, 2012, 9:35am Report to Moderator
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A young (33) friend posted this on his Facebook page this morning:

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I'm a little surprised with America today... Sorely disappointed really. I'm currently in Afghanistan supporting Marines, helping them stay alive. All I read on Facebook today is "f*** Obama, rigged election, f*** the Libertarians they made us lose, f*** the Repulicans, f*** the Democrats" last I checked we are a United States and all people want to do is drive a larger wedge between us. This partisanship is nasty business. Liberals belittling Conservative ideals and vice versus. A bunch of whinny children. Grow the f*** up people.


I agree.
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A young (33) friend posted this on his Facebook page this morning:

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I'm a little surprised with America today... Sorely disappointed really. I'm currently in Afghanistan supporting Marines, helping them stay alive. All I read on Facebook today is "f*** Obama, rigged election, f*** the Libertarians they made us lose, f*** the Repulicans, f*** the Democrats" last I checked we are a United States and all people want to do is drive a larger wedge between us. This partisanship is nasty business. Liberals belittling Conservative ideals and vice versus. A bunch of whinny children. Grow the f*** up people.

I agree.


Some people don't have the stomach for it.  

Ask your buddy why he's in one of the poorest nations on earth in Afghanistan keeping Marines alive after 11 years of war and Bin Laden's dead?

People are whinning and partisan because many don't believe your buddy should be in Afghanistan risking his life saving Marines in a war WITH NO STATED OBJECTIVE.  Both candidates picked an arbitrary end date to the war in Afghanistan of 2014.  I guess 13 years of war was the strategical war objective.

We aren't the United States of America, we are the Compulsatory States of America.  


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I agree.


Some people don't have the stomach for it.  

Ask your buddy why he's in one of the poorest nations on earth in Afghanistan keeping Marines alive after 11 years of war and Bin Laden's dead?

People are whinning and partisan because many don't believe your buddy should be in Afghanistan risking his life saving Marines in a war WITH NO STATED OBJECTIVE.  Both candidates picked an arbitrary end date to the war in Afghanistan of 2014.  I guess 13 years of war was the strategical war objective.

We aren't the United States of America, we are the Compulsatory States of America.  
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I know why he's there. You have no idea why he's there. You are exactly what he's talking about.

Grow the f*** up a**hole!
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I know why he's there. You have no idea why he's there. You are exactly what he's talking about.

Grow the f*** up a**hole!


OK, oh all knowing one...why is he there?


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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OK, oh all knowing one...why is he there?


He's there, like the others we personally know, that went over because it was either the last option before jail.....or......get a free education......or.......a guaranteed retirement.........free medical for life.......

It ain't wwI, wwII or even vietnam anymore boys and girls!!!!..

just like america has changed............so has our thoughts regarding war and the military......ever evolving.


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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Grow the f*** up a**hole!


You really raised the level of discourse.  

I know, I know, grow up, go along to get along, don't ask questions because it's unpatriotic blah..blah..blah.


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Cis-stop acting like a whiny baby.  Obama won despite everything.  Your candidate couldn't tell the same story twice.  He was not a strong candidate and he was not very smart pulling Paul Ryan on to the ticket.  Let's hope O will move the country forward because it sure stinks where we are now.  BTW--if your candidate had conducted himself tthe way he did during his concession speech, he probably would be President this morning.  Nobody could relate to his arrogant, rich, entitled demeanor but everyone could relate to his authentic persona last night.  Stop whining--you're worse than a little boy.
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Cis-stop acting like a whiny baby.  Obama won despite everything.  Your candidate couldn't tell the same story twice.  He was not a strong candidate and he was not very smart pulling Paul Ryan on to the ticket.  Let's hope O will move the country forward because it sure stinks where we are now.  BTW--if your candidate had conducted himself tthe way he did during his concession speech, he probably would be President this morning.  Nobody could relate to his arrogant, rich, entitled demeanor but everyone could relate to his authentic persona last night.  Stop whining--you're worse than a little boy.


It really wouldn't have mattered who the gop put out there......that is NOT the ideology of what the majority of the americans were seeking.
Again....the European white christians from the past are not the majority any more. Today, the face  america is different and the 'new' majortiy is electing who will lead their country into the future that resembles their ideology.

Todays americans are voting for more social programs and more government dependence as compared to those from the last generation.

Like I said.....it's the new america that is ever evolving.




When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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It really wouldn't have mattered who the gop put out there......that is NOT the ideology of what the majority of the americans were seeking.
Again....the European white christians from the past are not the majority any more. Today, the face  america is different and the 'new' majortiy is electing who will lead their country into the future that resembles their ideology.

Todays americans are voting for more social programs and more government dependence as compared to those from the last generation.

Like I said.....it's the new america that is ever evolving.



I don't buy it... Obama got 39% of the white vote, its not like all of the white vote went to Romney.
Romney was not a dynamic candidate, and people that voted for him in most cases did so because they hated Obama...just like Bush haters voted for Kerry in 2004. All the pubs need to do is to drop the Religious right malarkey from their platform just like the Dems did to the really left-leaners of their party.
A platform based on FISCAL conservatism CAN win nationally. The abortion issue alone probably cost Romney more than half of the 3% he was behind nationally.


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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The Republicans worked hard to lose this election.
~ The GOP War On Women guaranteed that women would vote against Romney... 14% edge for Obama.

~ Hispanics across the country were insulted by GOP Policy... and Hispanics shunned Romney at the Polls. If
GWB had one good idea in his presidency it was to offer some type of citizenship program for illegals.  The
Republican party quashed that plan which might have given this election to Romney.

~ Rape, Abortion, Gay Marriage and PP were unnecessary issues pushed by Republicans.  The GOP could have
ignored those issues completely... much the way Climate Change was ignored by both parties. Instead those
social issues alienated those who could have helped in a Romney victory on election day.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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