A Democrat’s Comments on the Film 2016.

I had the displeasure of seeing 2016 the movie yesterday. But not in
the way you may think. You would think that as a former Obama fan, it
would have been a right-wing propaganda filled experience. A waste of
my time. It wasn’t! It is not about taking over the auto industry or
banks or any number of things that the Obama administration has already
done. Some of that may have been needed to fix the mess….
What the movie does do is lead you through Obama ‘s upbringing, his
early, impressionistic learning years if you will, how his beliefs were
formed, by whom and when. I was quite honestly amazed at the many
things I learned–right from the horse’s mouth, so to speak–from his
brother, and others who knew him and that the movie interviews and
shows-you hear it from them. The movie was very well done and very
factual. It was scarier than any Friday the 13th movie I have ever
seen.
There was not a sound in the theater as the movie progressed and when
it ended, people just sat there, stunned. There was not a nay-sayer or
heckler in the entire group. I might have been one if them had I not
been so shaken. It really is a revealing look of who Obama is and where
he and his handlers want to take our beloved country, now that the
waters have been tested as to what he can get away with, what it
reveals his plans for the next 4 years and beyond is, well,
reprehensible. I voted for this man, I had his best wishes in my heart,
but he has not returned the favor to the American people. In fact, he
seems completely unaware of owing Americans anything, blacks, whites,
Hispanics–they are merely a means to an end: a vote to further his
agenda would end our America , the way we have known it.
No matter your political leanings, if you love America , you owe it to
yourself to see the movie. Why not? This election is not politics as
usual, and Obama is not the typical Democrat you may have always voted
for- not by any means! Once you see it, you will understand and you
will want to do, as I am doing now: encourage everyone to go and see
it…I promise you, you will no longer want to vote for this man, you
will want to run from him!
Now I understand why his school records have been hidden away, why his
past and papers have been locked away from view…why only what they
want us to see, have we seen… Obama is NOT what or who you think he
is. Charming, yes, black, yes–but without any black American history
or empathy in his blood, smart–not as smart as you think…but he has
found his pulpit and his blind followers- but I am no longer one of
them.
The Agenda: Make CERTAIN Obama does not get a second term which equals:
4 more years to ignore Congress and ignore what the American people
want, 4 more years to circumvent our Constitution and bring America
morally, spiritually and economically to its knees. He’s already proven
he can and will and HAS begun this process already!
Even if you do not want to vote for Romney, you WILL want to vote
AGAINST Barack Obama! I am going to make a statement here; you all know
I am neither a scholar nor a historian, but: At some point in our
history books in the future, the legacy of Barack Hussein Obama will
show him in the same dark light as Marx, Lenin and Stalin–who have
furthered the misery, suppression and control over their people and
sought to spread their oppressive philosophy and dominance throughout
the world… IF AMERICA HAD NOT STOPPED THEM! Think about that.
Be careful who you vote for, be very careful. Put your love of America first- it’s all we have.
Thanks for listening.

http://tvfmontana.org/?p=1713

More drivel from another red state leech.
The idiots in the states screaming about socialism are the biggest welfare queens of them all.
No more aid to the states? Fine with me.
New York State will be just fine.

Quoted from Tommy

More drivel from another red state leech.
The idiots in the states screaming about socialism are the biggest welfare queens of them all.
No more aid to the states? Fine with me.
New York State will be just fine.

Tommy... You're trying to convince them with FACTS... It will never work
Try ranting and righteous indignation.  Righties seem to respond well to rhetoric over FACTS.

Quoted from Box A Rox

Tommy... You're trying to convince them with FACTS... It will never work
Try ranting and righteous indignation.  Righties seem to respond well to rhetoric over FACTS.

I agree!  Unfair!  I say we states shouldn't receive anymore federal than they contribute.  You with me Tommy and Box?  If a state pays $100 million to the federal government, a state should only get $100 million back to spend only where the Federal Government says the state can spend it.

Who's with me????

Quoted from CICERO

I agree!  Unfair!  I say we states shouldn't receive anymore federal than they contribute.  You with me Tommy and Box?  If a state pays $100 million to the federal government, a state should only get $100 million back to spend only where the Federal Government says the state can spend it.

Who's with me????

I'm down with it.
I remember when Reagan was threatening to withhold federal highway funds if the states ddn't raise the drinking age.
My first thought was, "well hows about we don't give you the money in the first place?"

Romney doesn't want a United States he wants 50 individual countries that give him money.

Quoted from Tommy

Romney doesn't want a United States he wants 50 individual countries that give him money.

I wish that were true.(except for the give him money part)  Unfortunately I think the modern day Republican and Democrat Party want a Union of American States whose state government's power is superceded by the federal government.

Quoted from CICERO

I wish that were true.(except for the give him money part)  Unfortunately I think the modern day Republican and Democrat Party want a Union of American States whose state government's power is superceded by the federal government.

Well since when hasn't the US stuck their nose in other countries' business?

Quoted from CICERO

I agree!  Unfair!  I say we states shouldn't receive anymore federal than they contribute.  You with me Tommy and Box?  If a state pays $100 million to the federal government, a state should only get $100 million back to spend only where the Federal Government says the state can spend it.

Who's with me????

Probably no one.

So this year in NY where there will probably be a 2 Billion dollars in Hurricane Sandy damages... too bad NY
Pay for the damages yourself.
Where do you think the people of New Orleans, in the very poor state of Louisiana  would be right now
with out OTHER STATES helping recover from Katrina damage?

CIC... the name of our country is The UNITED States of America.   In America, it's WE, Not ME!
Of course that IS the point with Cicero's lame post.  Cut the Federal Govt till it goes out of business
and we are back to having every state for itself.  

Actually, we have the worst of both worlds -- we have a too big Federal government that has gone way past its Constitutional limits  AND  50 states that are pretty much "all in it for themselves".

Quoted from Box A Rox

CIC... the name of our country is The UNITED States of America.  

BOX, a little help with history.  The Declaration of Independence doesn't use ALL CAPITAL LETTERS FOR UNITED, actually it doesn't even use a CAPITAL U, it is a lower case u in united States of America.  That was done deliberately box.  The states were united in declaring independence from England, they were NOT United with each other.

Quoted Text

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

Quoted from CICERO

BOX, a little help with history.  The Declaration of Independence doesn't use ALL CAPITAL LETTERS FOR UNITED, actually it doesn't even use a CAPITAL U, it is a lower case u in united States of America.  That was done deliberately box.  The states were united in declaring independence from England, they were NOT United with each other.

"they were NOT United with each other"...
The last time this issue came up we fought a Civil War to RE-UNITE THE STATES.

Cic loves his own opinion, but he's not too fond at FACTS!  

Quoted from Box A Rox

"they were NOT United with each other"...
The last time this issue came up we fought a Civil War to RE-UNITE THE STATES.

Cic loves his own opinion, but he's not too fond at FACTS!  

It wasn't to "re-unite" the states; it was the War Between the States to prevent the Constitutional right of state secession.  Washington DC led the invasion because they needed to "collect the duties and imposts" from the southern states seceding.

Box, you are a government propaganda regurgitating machine.  Box loves his statist approved history, but not too fond of the real FACTS.

Fact, this country was founded as the united States of America.  So next 4th of July when people say we are celebrating the birth of the United States, you can correct them by pointing them to the Declaration of Independence and remind them the u in united is lower case.

Quoted from CICERO

It wasn't to "re-unite" the states; it was the War Between the States to prevent the Constitutional right of state secession.  Washington DC led the invasion because they needed to "collect the duties and imposts" from the southern states seceding.

Box, you are a government propaganda regurgitating machine.  Box loves his statist approved history, but not too fond of the real FACTS.

Fact, this country was founded as the united States of America.  So next 4th of July when people say we are celebrating the birth of the United States, you can correct them by pointing them to the Declaration of Independence and remind them the u in united is lower case.

Cicero posts many opposing views on this board.  If you take them all into consideration, you are led
to the conclusion that Cic is actually an "anarchist"!

Quoted Text

ANARCHIST
1. a person who rebels against any authority, established order, or ruling power
2. a person who believes in, advocates, or promotes anarchism or anarchy; especially :
one who uses violent means to overthrow the established order

Quoted from Box A Rox

Cicero posts many opposing views on this board.  If you take them all into consideration, you are led
to the conclusion that Cic is actually an "anarchist"!

Yes, so was George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Ben Franklin.  Their belief in a small and limited federal government and states independence was radical anarchism.lol

If you take box's views of the Federal government imposing its will on all the citizens in all 50 states, you are led to the conclusion that box is actually a totalitarian statist.

first i thought that it was interesting to hear a hard core liberal switching views based on fact.

second it is obvious that the states were designed to be 'independent'....they have 'their own' constitution.....yes?