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Yossi
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Book out by Rabbi Dennis Ross (Albany)  Is All politics Religious.
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As DVOR would say: BACK ON THE TOPIC
Here are your polls from Real Clear Polling. Apparently the big 'victory' was pyrrhic (for those who were too 'lazy' to get educated like Box, that means you got blown up with your own bomb making the kill) as I had said. Obama came off like the snarky, arrogant, college-professor jackass that he is, and it turned people OFF. Especially the undecided voters who by their nature tend to be non-confrontational to begin with. I hate being one of those "toldyasos" but read it and weep if you have not...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

Polling Data
Poll     Date     Sample     MoE     Romney (R)     Obama (D)     Spread
RCP Average     10/15 - 10/25     --     --     47.9     47.0     Romney +0.9
Rasmussen Reports     10/23 - 10/25     1500 LV     3.0     50     47     Romney +3
ABC News/Wash Post     10/21 - 10/24     1386 LV     3.0     50     47     Romney +3
IBD/TIPP     10/19 - 10/24     948 LV     3.5     45     47     Obama +2
Gallup     10/18 - 10/24     2700 LV     2.0     50     47     Romney +3
Associated Press/GfK     10/19 - 10/23     839 LV     4.2     47     45     Romney +2
Monmouth/SurveyUSA/Braun     10/18 - 10/21     1402 LV     2.6     48     45     Romney +3


IBD/TIPP is a poll that outsamples Democrats by about 7 points over R and Ind. voters:

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Sample Size: 948 likely voters (identified from 1091 registered voters with party affiliation of 38% Dem, 31% GOP, 32% Ind.)

Read More At IBD: http://news.investors.com/special-report/508415-ibdtipp-poll.aspx#ixzz2APlxm5xj




However- that poll has tightene considerable from 6 point to 2 point spread since that final Obama debate victory. So at this stage the libs only should be hoping that electoral math works for Obama and that he is able to win the swing states that provide him with the electoral votes should he lose the popular vote. Of course we know how libs hate when someone wins the pop vote and doesn't win the presidency!


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How Do You Know Mitt Romney Is Lying?
His Lips Are Moving!

Why Republicans say you SHOULDN'T vote for Romney:




The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Wow, you really refuted me with that cut and paste.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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Wow, you really refuted me with that cut and paste.


You "CUT AND PASTE" then complain about a 'cut and paste'.  
Do as I say, not as I do.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Polls conducted and released AFTER THE THIRD DEBATE:

10/23/2012 - 10/25/2012     Rasmussen       Romney      50.0       Obama      47.0      
               
10/25/2012 - 10/25/2012     RAND       Obama      50.56       Romney      44.64
                    
10/23/2012 - 10/25/2012     PPP            Obama      48.0       Romney      48.0      
               
10/24/2012 - 10/24/2012     RAND       Obama      49.5       Romney      45.48      

10/23/2012 - 10/23/2012     RAND       Obama      49.19       Romney      45.34                               


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Box, you can type about one sentence and then cut and paste. And FYI- Rand really isn't a poll. I hate to break the news to you. They utilize a panel of 3,500 people and keep asking them questions. The sheer idiocy of asking the same people questions thinking they are all going to "change" their minds is astounding. But if it gets you through the night then I am fine with it.

Nonetheless, I have really noticed a disturbing pattern with your posts. You really have trouble composing your own thoughts in any distinguished or cogent manner without resorting to a large amount of cutting and pasting. I truly believe that your example points to why higher education and literacy is so important to the future of our country. Young people only need to look at "Box A Rox" to determine why they should avoid laziness, and seek out education beyond the 12th grade.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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Quoted from GrahamBonnet
Box, you can type about one sentence and then cut and paste. And FYI- Rand really isn't a poll. I hate to break the news to you. They utilize a panel of 3,500 people and keep asking them questions. The sheer idiocy of asking the same people questions thinking they are all going to "change" their minds is astounding. But if it gets you through the night then I am fine with it.

Nonetheless, I have really noticed a disturbing pattern with your posts. You really have trouble composing your own thoughts in any distinguished or cogent manner without resorting to a large amount of cutting and pasting. I truly believe that your example points to why higher education and literacy is so important to the future of our country. Young people only need to look at "Box A Rox" to determine why they should avoid laziness, and seek out education beyond the 12th grade.


Well said GB!!! Boxy is one of the millions of sheople out there who read, believe and CUT AND PASTE what the lame stream media throws out there!!!! TOO FUNNY!!!  


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In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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Oh, and BTW- PPP is a democrap outfit. I will "cut and paste their methodology below in tribute to Box:

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If you are a Democrat, press 1. If a Republican,
press 2. If you are an independent or identify
with another party, press 3.
Democrat ........................................................ 41%
Republican...................................................... 34%
Independent/Other.......................................... 24%


If you want to show the democrap up in a race, poll democraps.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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If anyone in their right mind thinks that democraps will come out to the tune of 41% and Republicans will come out at 34%, and worse- INDEPENDENTS WILL
COME OUT AT ONLY 24%... well, I don't have words for the idiocy of it. Sorry.

In 2008 when Obama was the rage- Democrat turnout was 31.6% of the total and Republican turnout was much-depressed from 2004 (when it was 28%) going down to 25% as GOP voters were turned off by the nominee and believed Obama was a "centrist." So do know what that means? It means that the INDEPENDENT NON-ENROLLED VOTER MADE UP OVER 43% OF THE TOTAL. And THAT WAS IN A YEAR THAT THE INDEPENDENTS WENT OVERWHELMINGLY FOR OBAMA!!!!

Any accurate poll that was NOT TRYING TO PROPEL THE PRESIDENT WOULD REFLECT A HIGHER TURNOUT FOR INDEPENDENTS AND A LOWER TURNOUT FOR DEMOCRAPS! But since PPP is a democrap polling outfit they must help to manage the perception that Obummer is winning!!!


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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While I don't normally defend Box,  the Rand survey IS INDEED A POLL.  There are a number of ways to take a poll and each way has its advantages and disadvantages -- as well as strengths and weaknesses.  In this case, the polling operation has chosen to follow the opinions of 3,500 voters.

So the real issue is NOT whether the Rand survey is a poll -- because it IS A POLL.  The real issue is how accurate, credible and reliable the poll is.


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Nonetheless, I have really noticed a disturbing pattern with your posts. You really have trouble composing your own thoughts in any distinguished or cogent manner without resorting to a large amount of cutting and pasting. I truly believe that your example points to why higher education and literacy is so important to the future of our country. Young people only need to look at "Box A Rox" to determine why they should avoid laziness, and seek out education beyond the 12th grade.


GB
In case you haven't noticed, there is a huge discrepancy in the number of Liberal vs Conservative opinions
on this board.  If I just had to deal with your pitiful posts, I could do a better job of educating you, but
there is so much work to do and so little time to do it... I often use C&P to speed the process.

I have noticed a repeating theme in your posts... your posts often contain a sense of self-aggrandizement.
You should look into that issue to see if you can correct that flaw.

self-aggrandizement:
*The act or practice of enhancing or exaggerating one's own importance, power, or reputation.



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Actually, I am just concerned that people who declare conservatives as "intellectually lazy" don't have the fortitude or gumption to pursue a higher education themselves. It seems the height of hypocrisy that someone would make a post like that only to admit that they themselves were too lazy to seek higher ed. I like to remind those who chose not to attend college that they should not make blanket assumptions and cast aspersions onto those who were not too lazy to persevere through the process themselves.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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Actually, I am just concerned that people who declare conservatives as "intellectually lazy" don't have the fortitude or gumption to pursue a higher education themselves. It seems the height of hypocrisy that someone would make a post like that only to admit that they themselves were too lazy to seek higher ed. I like to remind those who chose not to attend college that they should not make blanket assumptions and cast aspersions onto those who were not too lazy to persevere through the process themselves.


LMAO!  He proves my case!

self-aggrandizement:
*The act or practice of enhancing or exaggerating one's own importance, power, or reputation.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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While I don't normally defend Box,  the Rand survey IS INDEED A POLL.  There are a number of ways to take a poll and each way has its advantages and disadvantages -- as well as strengths and weaknesses.  In this case, the polling operation has chosen to follow the opinions of 3,500 voters.

So the real issue is NOT whether the Rand survey is a poll -- because it IS A POLL.  The real issue is how accurate, credible and reliable the poll is.


It's use of a pre-selective panel puts it more in line with a focus-group. But I will concede on the finer point. As to the utter schite which is their methodology, I assume they left needs to at least know that there is one thing that is constant unlike the falling brick that is the President's approval rating.

As to PPP, I pointed out their flaws. Of course I went back to the thread topic after having very strong data from a multitude of sources that refutes the imbecilic opinion that Box A Rox put forth that Obama scored a huge victory on Monday night when he both came off as a erudite and grimacing jerk, and sealed his fate with the last few undecided voters by being a condescending elitist with a sardonic attitude.

But the bigger issue is: I thought I was "blocked?"


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