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Box A Rox
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A Frank Luntz focus group made up mostly of former Obama voters say they now support Mitt Romney.

"Forceful, compassionate, presidential," one participant said.
"Confident and realistic," said another.
"Presidential," another told Luntz.
"Enthusiastic," another reacted.
"Our next president," one man said.
"Dynamo, winner," said one more.

"He's lied about everything. He lied to get elected in 2008, that's why I voted for him. I bought his bull. And he's lied about everything, he hasn't come through on anything. And he's been bullshitting the public," one member of the focus group said.    Did Obama really win?


A republican strategist, Frank Luntz,  posted that HIS focus group now supports Romney... Duhhhh!
And why do we care what a Frank Luntz focus group thinks???
Why not a Nancy Pelosi focus group?  Or a Rush Limbaugh focus group?  Could they be any more
biased?


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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A republican strategist, Frank Luntz,  posted that HIS focus group now supports Romney... Duhhhh!
And why do we care what a Frank Luntz focus group thinks???
Why not a Nancy Pelosi focus group?  Or a Rush Limbaugh focus group?  Could they be any more
biased?


Only a Chris Matthews focus group, over at MSDNC could match that.


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Box A Rox
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Only a Chris Matthews focus group, over at MSDNC could match that.


Right.
Republican strategist, "Frank Luntz,"
An Osama Bin Laden focus group would be just as valid!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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LOOK....they are both of the same mold.......greedy, untruthful, egotisical..... great at spinning words and thoughts....

If you heard the mother of one of the men that died in Libya.....you would know immediately that OBAMA lied......his blank statement

"in the Rose Garden" was a generalization....of  what he knew at that point.....a coverup it was....it wasn't about any film..

.Clinton took the fall.....and look how long it took for her to come forward.....these  murdered people were expendable...

and Clinton knew the scoop on security....it was a deep tragedy and no one should have to die like they did....they were defenseless..

..and ignored.....and to be continuously told lies is not in any way respectful to these 4 men and their families.....i'ts a travesty ...

Rice was coached in her statement.......

The mother of one of the 4 men had an interview LIVE....sad very sad how these famililies are being treated and being told nothing but lies .

This is not a political issue....this issue needs to be told truthfully...out of respect for all....and our nation..

For me, neither candidate is what I want .....as a leader......they both bring nothing but "words" to the table......

it will be 4 more years of what it is today......for either to become president.....

Disgusted with it all.....maybe there should be a third party......

and again....the moderator and news media......all favor OBAMA....it is so evident.....

God bless these 4 men and their families.....

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It's worse than that. In Watergate no one died. Not only that but Candy covered for him. His Rose Garden
speech was about 9/11/01-NOT 9/11/12. Then on Sunday UN Ambassador Rice purposely covered up on 5 TV
talk shows about a "video" and nonexistent riot. CBS POLL Who has a better economic plan? Romney 64%.


I agree and am aware of the more serious nature of this -- that is the FACT that America was attacked and an ambassador and 3 other Americans were assassinated.

Candy not only covered for him -- she did it quite clumsily.   I have replayed that exchange a few times and clearly she just jumped in to "save the president's a**".

The CBS poll that you reference and others -- show that more Americans believe that Romney has a better economic plan.    I can honestly say that except for Obama blaming Bush for the bad economy and a sort of  "it will take more time .. we will eventually get it right" -- I  really can't say that Obama has outlined or articulated a specific economic plan for the next 4 years.  It is almost another "Pelosi response" ("well we have to pass it to before we can find out what is in the package")  -- the president is basically saying "reelect me and then we will figure out what our economic plan is".


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I have DV blocked....but decided to read what he said after my post.......my gosh....it was sensible......
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Candy not only covered for him -- she did it quite clumsily.   I have replayed that exchange a few times and clearly she just jumped in to "save the president's a**".


You need to listen to the Candy Crowley video again DVOR:

OBAMA: Get the transcript.

CROWLEY: It — it — it — he did in fact, sir. So let me — let me call it an act of terror…

OBAMA: Can you say that a little louder, Candy?

(the next Crowley statement is in two parts.  Part 1 for Obama, Part 2 for Romney.  DVOR only recognizes
part 1 and ignores part 2)

CROWLEYPart1) He — he did call it an act of terror.
(Part 2) It did as well take — it did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea there being a riot
out there about this tape to come out. You are correct about that.


Crowley agreed with Obama AND with Romney with her fact check.  
The panicked Right only hears what supports their agenda... not the FACTS!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Libya is the 'great cover-up'!! If that EVER happened under the republican watch....the lame stream media would be reporting it 24/7!

Obama is another carter for sure!

If ya enjoyed the last 4 years and think the country is headed in the right direction....vote for obama.......or the only other option they have given us.......simple as that!


Personally we thought the debate was a total waste of time. Neither of them gave us that 'tingle down our leg'.


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In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/msnbcs-undecided-voter-panel-swayed-romney_654728.html

Here you will see a right-wing station hold a focus group after the debate where the undecided voters are swinging to Romney after the debate:


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"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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And here is why:

Romney landed solid punches on the economy. Obama has no plan (I second DVOR) and furthermore making comments about Romney's gaffes or his pension are not solutions to any problems that the nation faces. Mocking him for his success doesn't fix the economy. But keep using that strategy, Box. It is effective in getting people to tune out from the left's noise. I would never discourage you from attacking Romney based on his 47% comments. Keep that focus right there.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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Come on kids..Obama decimated Romney.  Notice that silly smirk was off Romney's face and damn fast.  He was also not respectful to the President.  What's his mysterious plan to bring back the economy that George Bush demolished in his years as POTUS?  Create 23 million jobs and look through his binder of women to fill them?  (BTW most serial killers have a binder of women too)  The pro-choice man wants to deport people who have been working here and contributing to the economy.  

Give it up kids...your Boy lost and big time.  ROTFLMAO!
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He was also not respectful to the President.

They are candidates in this forum. Respect goes both ways



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America saw Obama slaughter Romney... in hard times... with unemployment around 8%, and a terrorist
attack in Syria... and yet Obama won.  
This should be a cake walk for Romney... all any good Republican should have to do is show up and he would
win the presidency.  Every one hates Obama... yet Romney is still behind.
Obama is strong and leading in most polls...  An insight as to just how bad a candidate Mittens Romney
really is.  


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America saw Obama slaughter Romney... in hard times... with unemployment around 8%, and a terrorist
attack in Syria... and yet Obama won.  
This should be a cake walk for Romney... all any good Republican should have to do is show up and he would
win the presidency.  Every one hates Obama... yet Romney is still behind.
Obama is strong and leading in most polls...  An insight as to just how bad a candidate Mittens Romney
really is.  


Both candidates have successfully convinced the American voter that we can kick the can down the road on the debt, that it will have no consequences whatsoever. The difference is that the Dems have also convinced the same voters that because the unsustainable spending puts a government check in their pocket or provides a service they can use, is it somehow more justifiable.


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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The debate is a waste of time and money.....it's a guise that has no resolve...

Obama is loudest when the truth is put forth...and just because he is President...doesn't mean he can disrespect Romney....Romney played it the way he

should have stood up for himself...and I applaud it.....

the Libya event hit a sore spot....with Obama......and right away the event became not a debate but a debaucle...

the moderator explained her actions on the View this am......she not only saved Obama's a** last nite....but hers this AM...

and at that point....OBAMA had 5 minutes more than Romney......
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