Repeating that it's a non-issue ARE WAS the DNC talking points.
Fixed.
That talking point died when Gregory Hicks told Congress what really happened.
Then there was this just totally mind blowing statement by Eric Nordstrom that I think seals the deal....
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Eric Nordstrom, a security officer who also gave evidence to Congress said the lessons state department employees have taken from Benghazi were scathing: "Whether you're at a mission, preparing for a hearing or you're standing on top of a building "surrounded by a mob," he says, "The message is the same: You're on your own."
"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'
Melania is a bimbo... she is there to look at, not to listen to. --- Box A Rox and his 'War on Women'
WASHINGTON -- Former Defense Secretary Robert Gates defended the Obama administration's response to the Sept. 11, 2012, terrorist attack in Benghazi on Sunday, saying he would not have done anything different militarily if he had still been at the Pentagon.
"Frankly had I been in the job at the time, I think my decisions would have been just as theirs were," said Gates on CBS's "Face the Nation," referring to the role of then-Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Martin Dempsey.
"We don't have a ready force standing by in the Middle East -- despite all the turmoil that's going on, with planes on strip alert, troops ready to deploy at a moment's notice. And so getting somebody there in a timely way -- would have been very difficult, if not impossible."
Republicans have harshly criticized the Obama administration's military response to the Benghazi attack. In recent days, they have been championing the suggestions of Gregory Hicks, the former deputy chief of mission for the U.S. in Libya, who testified before a House committee last week.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Is he saying he would've blamed what happened on a YouTube video? That's what I would like to know, why did they feel it was okay to make up a ridiculous story and run around telling this lie to the American public? What for?
"The Desire Of The Republicans To Create A Scandal Here Has Really Undermined Any Ability To Have A Credible Look At What Actual Happened
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
That doesn't explain to me why they went ahead with that story, or why they felt it necessary to lie about a terrorist attack on 9/11. I don't care what the Republicans are doing, I'm a citizen and I expect better behavior from my government officials. What the hell is the matter with them?
That doesn't explain to me why they went ahead with that story, or why they felt it necessary to lie about a terrorist attack on 9/11. I don't care what the Republicans are doing, I'm a citizen and I expect better behavior from my government officials. What the hell is the matter with them?
Governments lie, that is what they do, they're no longer representatives of the people. What's even more sad is seeing citizens try to justify their lies as if it is no big deal.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
All the Republican Lies of the past are absolved of any responsibility, but any perceived lies of a Democrat is held to the highest standard possible.
~ Iran Contra... Illegal, impeachable actions and a cover up. No Problem. ~ Total fabrication of the reasons we went to war in Iraq. WMD lies. Still No Problem ~ US Marines ordered not to show a military presence guarding their barracks, 250 killed... An excusable mistake. ~ Benghazi... TOTAL DISASTER, IMPEACHMENT AND HANGING ALL INVOLVED! How can any thinking person take this to be anything but political theater?
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
All the Republican Lies of the past are absolved of any responsibility, but any perceived lies of a Democrat is held to the highest standard possible.
~ Iran Contra... Illegal, impeachable actions and a cover up. No Problem. ~ Total fabrication of the reasons we went to war in Iraq. WMD lies. Still No Problem ~ US Marines ordered not to show a military presence guarding their barracks, 250 killed... An excusable mistake. ~ Benghazi... TOTAL DISASTER, IMPEACHMENT AND HANGING ALL INVOLVED! How can any thinking person take this to be anything but political theater?
A lie is a lie, who gives a crap what party they are, if they lie to the public they should be held accountable, what you are saying is democrats should get a pass since republicans lied as well, yeah that is going to get us a honest government
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Yeah box, you assume I give a sh!t if Reagan was impeached. He should have been impeached for his unconstitutional "war on drugs". Both parties agree on more federal power to control people's personal behavior and to hunt them down and throw them in cages.
All the Republican Lies of the past are absolved of any responsibility, but any perceived lies of a Democrat is held to the highest standard possible.
~ Iran Contra... Illegal, impeachable actions and a cover up. No Problem. ~ Total fabrication of the reasons we went to war in Iraq. WMD lies. Still No Problem ~ US Marines ordered not to show a military presence guarding their barracks, 250 killed... An excusable mistake. ~ Benghazi... TOTAL DISASTER, IMPEACHMENT AND HANGING ALL INVOLVED! How can any thinking person take this to be anything but political theater?
Beware of the GOOD NAZI!!! The nazis sent millions to their deaths out of pure perceived hatred. Do you think most of them saw themselves are hateful or corrupt? Of course not!!
They compared themselves and measured themselves by the standards they themselves created. Each in his own eyes was a good, moral, decent, religious nazi, no worse than the next. So by seeing themselves in their own eyes they became blinded to what was really right and/or wrong.
Be careful not to fall for the 'created', human/political, corrupt, man made standards.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
All the Republican Lies of the past are absolved of any responsibility, but any perceived lies of a Democrat is held to the highest standard possible.
~ Iran Contra... Illegal, impeachable actions and a cover up. No Problem. ~ Total fabrication of the reasons we went to war in Iraq. WMD lies. Still No Problem ~ US Marines ordered not to show a military presence guarding their barracks, 250 killed... An excusable mistake. ~ Benghazi... TOTAL DISASTER, IMPEACHMENT AND HANGING ALL INVOLVED! How can any thinking person take this to be anything but political theater?
A school of red herrings has been detected....
Sorry Boxy, but this is 2013 and not what you think should have happened in the past, because......FYI.....It didn't happen, MKay.
Just grab some popcorn. The next few weeks will be interesting.
"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'
Melania is a bimbo... she is there to look at, not to listen to. --- Box A Rox and his 'War on Women'
Report author absolves Clinton GOP rejects Pickering's blame on subordinates BY PHILIP ELLIOTT The Associated Press WASHINGTON — The seasoned diplomat who penned a highly critical report on security at a U.S. outpost in Benghazi, Libya, defended his scathing assessment but absolved then-Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton. “We knew where the responsibility rested,” Thomas Pickering said Sunday. “They’ve tried to point a finger at people more senior than where we found the decisions were made,” Pickering, whose career spans four decades, said of Clinton’s critics. The Accountability Review Board, which Pickering headed with retired Adm. Mike Mullen, the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, did not question Clinton at length about the attacks but concluded last December that the decisions about the consulate were made well below the secretary’s level. Pickering and Mullen’s blistering report found that “systematic failures and leadership and management deficiencies at senior levels” of the State Department meant that security was “inadequate for Benghazi and grossly inadequate to deal with the attack that took place.” Pickering’s defense of his panel’s conclusions, however, failed to placate Republicans who have called for creation of a special select congressional committee to investigate the Sept. 11, 2012, assault on the U.S. diplomatic mission that killed four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens. The top Republican on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee said he wants sworn depositions from Pickering and Mullen, and promised to make that request today. “This is a failure, it needs to be investigated. Our committee can investigate. Now, Ambassador Pickering, his people and he refused to come before our committee,” said Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., the panel’s chairman. Pickering, sitting next to Issa during an appearance on one Sunday show, said the chairman was lying and that he was willing to testify before the committee. “That is not true,” said the former top diplomat who has served in Republican as well as Democratic administrations. LACK OF JETS QUESTIONED In a separate interview, Pickering said he asked, via the White House, to appear at Wednesday’s session. He said he could have answered many of the questions lawmakers raised, such as whether U.S. military forces could have saved Americans had they dispatched F-16 jet fighters to the consulate, some 1,600 miles away from the nearest likely launching point. “Mike Mullen, who was part of this report and indeed worked very closely with all of us and shared many of the responsibilities directly with me, made it very clear that his view as a former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff that there were nothing within range that could have made a difference,” Pickering said. Republicans and Gregory Hicks, the former deputy chief of mission in Libya, have questioned why the military couldn’t move faster to stop the two nighttime attacks over several hours. Hicks, who testified before the House Oversight panel this past week, said a show of U.S. military force might have prevented the second attack on the CIA annex that killed security officers Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty. Mullen’s successor as Joint Chiefs chairman, Gen. Martin Dempsey, and former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta told a Senate panel on Feb. 7 that they didn’t have enough intelligence about what was happening, did not know where the ambassador was and F-16 s would have been the wrong aircraft. “You can’t just willy-nilly send F-16 s there and blow the hell out of a place without knowing what’s taking place,” Panetta had told the Senate Armed Services Committee on Feb. 7. At the hearing last Wednesday, Hicks and two other State Department witnesses criticized Pickering and Mullen’s review. Their complaints centered on a report they consider incomplete, with individuals who weren’t interviewed and a focus on the assistant secretary level and lower. “I was surprised today that they did not probe Secretary Clinton in detail,” Sen. Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H., said, of the review board. NEWLY REVIVED INTEREST The hours long hearing produced no major revelation but renewed interest in the attacks that happened during the lead-up to the November 2012 presidential election. Even so, Republicans showed little interest in dropping their investigation into what happened at the consulate, what might be done to prevent future such attacks and what political calculations went into rewriting talking points the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, Susan Rice, used on news shows. A series of emails that circulated between the State Department and the CIA led to weakened — and, in some cases, erroneous — language that Rice used to describe the assault during a series of five television interviews the Sunday after the attacks. “I’d call it a cover-up,” said Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who renewed his call for a select committee to investigate. “I would call it a cover-up in the extent that there was willful removal of information, which was obvious.” Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., chairman of the House Intelligence committee, said he expects more State Department officials to step forward and testify. One Republican eying a White House run, Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky, told an audience in Iowa that he thinks the Benghazi attack “precludes Hillary Clinton from ever holding office.” Democrats said Republicans were looking to weaken her ahead of a potential 2016 campaign. “This has been caught up in the 2016 presidential campaign, this effort to go after Hillary Clinton,” said Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill. “They want to bring her in because they think it’s a good political show and I think that’s unfortunate.” Rep. Adam Smith of Washington state, the top Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee, said the congressional probe “has just become a very, very partisan-focused, scandal-focused attack by the Republicans investigating this.” Pickering declined repeated opportunities to criticize Rice’s now-debunked talking points that suggested the attacks were not terrorism. “That was not in our mandate,” Pickering said. “We were looking at the security, security warnings, security capacity, those kinds of things.” Democrats similarly did little to defend the mistaken talking points. “This is one instance where you know it was what it was,” said Sen. Dianne Feinstein, the California Democrat who heads the Senate Intelligence Committee. “There was no question this was a terrorist attack,” Smith said. Pickering spoke with CNN’s “State of the Union,” NBC’s “Meet the Press” and CBS’ “Face the Nation.” Issa and Feinstein spoke with NBC. McCain spoke to ABC’s “This Week.” Ayotte and Durbin were on CBS. Smith spoke to “Fox News Sunday.”
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