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Rusty Shackleford
September 22, 2012, 11:59am Report to Moderator
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SCHENECTADY — City police are investigating a fatal stabbing that occurred at 65 Elm St. early Saturday.

Also Saturday, officials are looking into a fire that happened on 1082 Helderberg Ave. a few hours later that killed an occupant.

At about 2:38 a.m., officers responded to the scene after getting a report of an unresponsive man and found him outside the home.

He was treated on the scene by a Schenectady firefighter and taken to Ellis Hospital's Nott Street campus, where he later died. The identity of the victim is not being released at this time, pending notification of the next of kin.

There is no suspect in custody, said police. The homicide is being investigated by the Detective Division and Evidence Tech Unit.

Anyone with information of this incident is asked to come forward.

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: (  May both victims RIP  
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SCHENECTADY — An elderly man was killed early Saturday when a fast-moving blaze ripped through a two-family home on Helderberg Avenue, forcing an upstairs family of three to narrowly escape.

The victim, whose name was not immediately released, lived alone on the first floor of the two-story wood frame home at 1082 Helderberg Ave. He was said to be in his mid-80s.

Firefighters believe the fire originated in the man's bedroom about 6:50 a.m. They were considering the possibility the blaze was started by a cigarette because the victim was believed to be a smoker.

The fire was not considered suspicious.

Firefighters arrived quickly but could not locate the missing man — their initial focus.

"We know that was a situation that was untenable for human life," said city Fire Chief Michael DellaRocco, standing on Helderberg Avenue, where devastated survivors of the blaze sat across from their charred home left in fiery ruins.

"There was a great deal of smoke on the first floor," the chief said. He said a man who lives upstairs with his wife and her son had a key for the first floor. The man tried to get in, but could only see smoke from the floor to the ceiling. DellaRocco said firefighters had a good idea where the victim was in the home, but could not verify the location.

"That room was very heavily involved in fire," DellaRocco said. "We had several crews inside the building attacking the fire and searching for the victim. As that operation was going on, fire conditions were deteriorating. We ordered everybody out of the building and began a defensive attack on the exterior and from the exterior into the building. As time went on and the fire was diminished, we went back in and located the fire victim."

The victim, pronounced dead at the scene, had despite his age not been someone in need of regular assistance, the chief said. He said the man had been planning to go to a used book sale on Saturday.

"There were no other circumstances preventing his escape except, of course, for the fire,' DellaRocco said.

An autopsy was expected at Ellis Hospital to determine how the victim died.

The upstairs family members heard smoke detectors go off, which "may very well have saved their lives," DellaRocco said.

The chief said the younger man who lived upstairs smelled smoke, looked out his bedroom window and saw a "wall of flame." He, his mother and her husband all escaped. But DellaRocco said the husband, at one point, went back upstairs to make sure they had all gotten out — and was unable to make it out the front stairway.

"He exited the back," DellaRocco said. "He's actually very fortunate he was able to get out."

The chief said firefighters heard an explosion at one point. He said the woman who lived upstairs had a home oxygen tank. And the family had a propane tank on a grill. Both of those could have exacerbated the fire, DellaRocco said.

The searing flames tore through the home, moving upstairs rapidly due to balloon frame construction, which left an easy path for the fire to quickly rise through the floors to the attic, the chief said.

Flames shot out windows and spewed thick black smoke onto the street with a visibility of less than two feet, DellaRocco said.

Some 36 firefighters extinguished the inferno by 8:10 a.m. The home still stood, but was gutted and expected to be demolished.

"I was only a minute away from here when the call came in," DellaRocco said. "I was also here quite early. The roof had already broken through and flame was visible."

He said he called in the state Office of Fire Prevention and Control and Schenectady Police for assistance.

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Fatal stabbings are usually deadly.

quite the observation.
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The house on Helderberg Ave has been demolished already.  Just an empty lot and a dozer remain.
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SCHENECTADY – David J. DeVito, wearing clothes he had bought at Wal-Mart in the middle of the night, watched as the scraps of what was left of his house on Helderberg Avenue were dragged out by a backhoe Sunday and dumped into a waiting truck.

Twenty-four hours earlier, he had rushed to save his downstairs tenant from a quickly spreading fire and saw that the man's body had already been overcome by flames. DeVito's wife and stepson got out from before the blaze engulfed the two-family home, which the city decided to demolish Sunday after the roof had caved in.

"The more smoke detectors you can have in your house the better," said DeVito, who was awoken by his smoke detectors around 6:30 a.m. Saturday. "We got out thank God, but it was close."

Police had yet to release the name of the 86-year-old victim Sunday afternoon. DeVito said he didn't want to either, as he did not know if the man's only close relative, a daughter who lived outside the area, had been notified.

The blaze at 1082 Helderberg is not considered suspicious.

DeVito, a senior maintenance worker at Schenectady County Community College, said his tenant was a retired postal worker who had rented the first-floor apartment for three years. The DeVitos and the man had a close relationship, with DeVito's wife taking him to doctor's appointments, and DeVito watching Yankee games with him in his apartment. DeVito said the man smoked a pipe, but that he was careful about putting the ashes into a bowl of water after he was done.

"He was very content and healthy an ox," DeVito said. "He never had to take a pill for anything."

DeVito said he managed to keep it together Saturday at the fire scene until a firefighter brought out the body of one of the family pets, a cat that was named Chimney after she was found at three weeks old underneath the wheelbarrow DeVito used for chimney repairs.

"I hugged her and I said, 'I'm sorry I couldn't get you out,'" DeVito said.

The DeVitos are staying with DeVito's mother, but might rebuild where the old house once stood.

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schenectady always bulldozes a house with bodies in it....quickly


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