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Rusty Shackleford
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Finally you posted something I can agree with!
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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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About the only thing that Barry can chalk up as a 'win'....But as the ever wise and all knowing Joe Biden said "Osama bin Laden is dead and General Motors is alive"

So what if GM cars are 70% built outside of the U.S.





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About the only thing that Barry can chalk up as a 'win'....But as the ever wise and all knowing Joe Biden said "Osama bin Laden is dead and General Motors is alive"

So what if GM cars are 70% built outside of the U.S.



I thought even more of them were made elsewhere than that.
Which ones actually are made in the U.S.?

I think there might actually be more foreign car companies here, than American ones.


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How did I know this thread, which started numerous, would turn political
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BETTER OFF????????? Gas doubled in price, groceries doubled in price, health insurance payments doubled, property and school taxes and fees for just about everything has increased........and wait until our taxes go up to pay for OBAMACARE/socialist programs.....and all with no jobs, no raises and many minimum wage jobs!!!

BETTER OFF?????????? I think NOT!!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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and General Motors is alive"


Noooooooooooo.....the UNION is alive!!! And I believe the unions are exempt from obamacare.....yes?



When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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BETTER OFF????????? Gas doubled in price, groceries doubled in price, health insurance payments doubled, property and school taxes and fees for just about everything has increased........and wait until our taxes go up to pay for OBAMACARE/socialist programs.....and all with no jobs, no raises and many minimum wage jobs!!!

BETTER OFF?????????? I think NOT!!!


Don't hold back Bumbler, let it all out!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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like a fine wine I'm better off.....certainly not because of government choices/systems......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Let's start with GDP, the country's total economic output. Four years ago, GDP
was in freefall. For the past three years, it has been growing steadily. It's now considerably
higher than it was four years ago.



http://www.businessinsider.com/are-you-better-off-than-4-years-ago-charts-2012-9?op=1#ixzz260hSYvBP


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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The real GDP growth rate for the past three years, moreover, is similar to the most
of the growth years of the Bush administration.





The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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did I buy a ticket for that podium roller coaster???? or was it the entry fee into this carnival?


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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BETTER OFF????????? Gas doubled in price, groceries doubled in price, health insurance payments doubled, property and school taxes and fees for just about everything has increased........and wait until our taxes go up to pay for OBAMACARE/socialist programs.....and all with no jobs, no raises and many minimum wage jobs!!!

BETTER OFF?????????? I think NOT!!!



Wall st collapse was avoided allowing the banking industry to remain intact. If it had failed, homes would have been lost by the millions and businesses would also have closed across the nation.

The invasion of Iraq has ended.

GM is still alive.

More people have health care and pre-existing conditions no longer exclude you.

Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession.

Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression.

Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: From a peak of 101,000 troops in June 2011, U.S. forces are now down to 91,000, with 23,000 slated to leave by the end of summer 2012. According to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, the combat mission there will be over by next year.

Eliminated Osama bin laden

Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell

Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: In March 2011, joined a coalition of European and Arab governments in military action, including air power and naval blockade, against Gaddafi regime to defend Libyan civilians and support rebel troops.

Reversed Bush Torture Policies: Two days after taking office, nullified Bush-era rulings that had allowed detainees in U.S. custody to undergo certain “enhanced” interrogation techniques considered inhumane under the Geneva Conventions.

Increased Support for Veterans: With so many soldiers coming home from Iraq and Iran with serious physical and mental health problems, yet facing long waits for services, increased 2010 Department of Veterans Affairs budget by 16 percent and 2011 budget by 10 percent. Also signed new GI bill offering $78 billion in tuition assistance over a decade, and provided multiple tax credits to encourage businesses to hire veterans.

Passed Credit Card Reforms: Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure Act (2009), which prohibits credit card companies from raising rates without advance notification, mandates a grace period on interest rate increases, and strictly limits overdraft and other fees.

Began Post-Post-9/11 Military Builddown: After winning agreement from congressional Republicans and Democrats in summer 2011 budget deal to reduce projected defense spending by $450 billion, proposed new DoD budget this year with cuts of that size and a new national defense strategy that would shrink ground forces from 570,000 to 490,000 over the next ten years

Invested Heavily in Renewable Technology: As part of the 2009 stimulus, invested $90 billion, more than any previous administration, in research on smart grids, energy efficiency, electric cars, renewable electricity generation, cleaner coal, and biofuels.

Expanded Health Coverage for Children: Signed 2009 Children’s Health Insurance Authorization Act, which allows the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) to cover health care for 4 million more children, paid for by a tax increase on tobacco products.

Killed the F-22: In 2009, ended further purchases of Lockheed Martin single-seat, twin-engine, fighter aircraft, which cost $358 million apiece. Though the military had 187 built, the plane has never flown a single combat mission. Eliminating it saved $4 billion.

Ok, he also ran up the national debt by running a deficit.

Can you save a country from bankruptcy without spending money?
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Wall st collapse was avoided allowing the banking industry to remain intact. If it had failed, homes would have been lost by the millions and businesses would also have closed across the nation.

The invasion of Iraq has ended.

GM is still alive.

More people have health care and pre-existing conditions no longer exclude you.

Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession.

Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression.

Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: From a peak of 101,000 troops in June 2011, U.S. forces are now down to 91,000, with 23,000 slated to leave by the end of summer 2012. According to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, the combat mission there will be over by next year.

Eliminated Osama bin laden

Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell

Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: In March 2011, joined a coalition of European and Arab governments in military action, including air power and naval blockade, against Gaddafi regime to defend Libyan civilians and support rebel troops.

Reversed Bush Torture Policies: Two days after taking office, nullified Bush-era rulings that had allowed detainees in U.S. custody to undergo certain “enhanced” interrogation techniques considered inhumane under the Geneva Conventions.

Increased Support for Veterans: With so many soldiers coming home from Iraq and Iran with serious physical and mental health problems, yet facing long waits for services, increased 2010 Department of Veterans Affairs budget by 16 percent and 2011 budget by 10 percent. Also signed new GI bill offering $78 billion in tuition assistance over a decade, and provided multiple tax credits to encourage businesses to hire veterans.

Passed Credit Card Reforms: Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure Act (2009), which prohibits credit card companies from raising rates without advance notification, mandates a grace period on interest rate increases, and strictly limits overdraft and other fees.

Began Post-Post-9/11 Military Builddown: After winning agreement from congressional Republicans and Democrats in summer 2011 budget deal to reduce projected defense spending by $450 billion, proposed new DoD budget this year with cuts of that size and a new national defense strategy that would shrink ground forces from 570,000 to 490,000 over the next ten years

Invested Heavily in Renewable Technology: As part of the 2009 stimulus, invested $90 billion, more than any previous administration, in research on smart grids, energy efficiency, electric cars, renewable electricity generation, cleaner coal, and biofuels.

Expanded Health Coverage for Children: Signed 2009 Children’s Health Insurance Authorization Act, which allows the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) to cover health care for 4 million more children, paid for by a tax increase on tobacco products.

Killed the F-22: In 2009, ended further purchases of Lockheed Martin single-seat, twin-engine, fighter aircraft, which cost $358 million apiece. Though the military had 187 built, the plane has never flown a single combat mission. Eliminating it saved $4 billion.

Ok, he also ran up the national debt by running a deficit.

Can you save a country from bankruptcy without spending money?


based upon what value? because it IS all about the value of the fiat and nothing more solid than that....

libor anyone?
moodys anyone?

they just randomly talk about value and the value of all kinds of currencies and the trade....the value put upon a
leather couch/BMW would lead some to commit suicide if all of a sudden the value of their lifestyle were to
fall....

just as the banks don't want to own property that no one is paying interest on is as much as the same as the government
owning things there is no tax collected on....

in the end the masses win....survival always does....it's just really hard work when the system isn't there


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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