Tax or penalty? Applying the tax/penalty logic to the immigration issue, how about this?
There is a need to satisfy we who believe in the rule of law. The rule of law has been thrashed on the southwest border. Then there are those among US who want all to come to America without restriction.
Allow ALL illegals (guest citizens) to stay but access a penalty aka a tax on them so they can reimburse the host country. Guest citizens with criminal records will be deported or double accessed.
The farmer & small business man were the backbone of the American Revolution, CORE VALUES. The small farmer has been put out business by corporate farms with the help of guest citizens allowed to stay here by a corrupt house of representatives compelling law enforcement to look the other way. Presidents are no better. See a pattern? The small business man is now on the menu with destructive regulations & tax code.
Many of the uninsured are guest citizens whom we will pay a tax/penalty to sustain. See a pattern?
To a large extent the corrupt political system of Mexico has been allowed to exist because it serves interest on both sides of the border. South of the border a greedy few, their 1% prosper. North of border, greedy 1% & social progressives 99% profit from the influx of guest citizens.
There are people who want America as conceived to disappear in all but name. The people I speak of are not all Reds in Moscow or drug lords in Mexico, we have our own homegrown Quislings.
People on the right often ask, "why do the Mexican people not throw their corrupt political & economic system out." They could with a little help by the Gringo, we don't want that to occur. Water always seeks it's own level, tyrants on both sides of the border have similar agendas. The only difference is who will call the shots.
Even if a supreme court were to uphold the constitution it would be negated or misunderstood due to the corruption of the English language. Maybe replacing English with Spanish would be a good idea, then we would all be on the same page.
Tax or penalty? Applying the tax/penalty logic to the immigration issue, how about this?
There is a need to satisfy we who believe in the rule of law. The rule of law has been thrashed on the southwest border. Then there are those among US who want all to come to America without restriction.
Allow ALL illegals (guest citizens) to stay but access a penalty aka a tax on them so they can reimburse the host country. Guest citizens with criminal records will be deported or double accessed.
The farmer & small business man were the backbone of the American Revolution, CORE VALUES. The small farmer has been put out business by corporate farms with the help of guest citizens allowed to stay here by a corrupt house of representatives compelling law enforcement to look the other way. Presidents are no better. See a pattern? The small business man is now on the menu with destructive regulations & tax code.
Many of the uninsured are guest citizens whom we will pay a tax/penalty to sustain. See a pattern?
To a large extent the corrupt political system of Mexico has been allowed to exist because it serves interest on both sides of the border. South of the border a greedy few, their 1% prosper. North of border, greedy 1% & social progressives 99% profit from the influx of guest citizens.
There are people who want America as conceived to disappear in all but name. The people I speak of are not all Reds in Moscow or drug lords in Mexico, we have our own homegrown Quislings.
People on the right often ask, "why do the Mexican people not throw their corrupt political & economic system out." They could with a little help by the Gringo, we don't want that to occur. Water always seeks it's own level, tyrants on both sides of the border have similar agendas. The only difference is who will call the shots.
Even if a supreme court were to uphold the constitution it would be negated or misunderstood due to the corruption of the English language. Maybe replacing English with Spanish would be a good idea, then we would all be on the same page.
Cardinal Roger Mahony characterized Arizona’s S.B. 1070 as “the country’s most retrogressive, mean-spirited, and useless anti-immigrant law,” saying it is based on “totally flawed reasoning: that immigrants come to our country to rob, plunder, and consume public resources.”
The US Conference of Catholic Bishops have urged that illegal immigrants not be treated as criminals and that their contribution to this country be recognized.
recognized and then deported for breaking the law by illegally sneaking in and stealing identities and engaging in crime. They should apply to come here legally and above board like all the rest of our peoples.
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
recognized and then deported for breaking the law by illegally sneaking in and stealing identities and engaging in crime. They should apply to come here legally and above board like all the rest of our peoples.
I totally disagree.
There should be no borders or immigration qualifications.
There should be no borders or immigration qualifications.
Unless retroactively enforced to 1620.
If they can't fix their own country how are we supposed to carry the burden of those who didn't help themselves, answer is we can't and they will just drag us down. By some chance Mexico does straighten up then I believe we could have an easier relationship with them like we do with Canada, until then it is like a prison with no walls, nothing good will come of it.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
it's not a burden to have immigrants....IT IS A BURDEN TO MAKE A SOCIALIST SYSTEM THAT MAKES IT APPEAR EASIER LIGHTER NO EFFORT IN AMERICA....
pull up your bootstraps or ask Mayor Daddy Bloomberg to freakin' adopt you and put you up at his palace...along with soros/buffet/obama/bush/romney OH AND let's not forget about Hillary's freakin' village....where ever that is..oh wait I found it....it was built before Hillary's by M. Night Shyamalan.....
there we go....there's the model....
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
recognized and then deported for breaking the law by illegally sneaking in and stealing identities and engaging in crime. They should apply to come here legally and above board like all the rest of our peoples.
Recognized- and then givin a job mowing the lawn at your brothers Arizona condo- maybe your bro could tell the condo HOA to put some white guys to work and that he doesnt care if they need to raise his HOA dues by 50 bucks· why dont people like your bro report this criminal activity?
So you support international health care. Who manages that system - the UN?
Hmmm. I don't see where I said that, but let me think...
Well, first of all:
Public health care is provided to all Mexican citizens as guaranteed via Article 4 of the Constitution. Public care is either fully or partially subsidized by the federal government, depending on the person's (Spanish: derechohabiente's) employment status. All Mexican citizens are eligible for subsidized health care regardless of their work status via a system of health care facilities operating under the federal Secretariat of Health (formerly the Secretaria de Salubridad y Asistencia, or SSA) agency.
That means they give up their health care by being illegals.
If they were legal Mexico would pay their bills.
Secondly:
I believe in equality for all men, not just documented or American soil born people, who think they are somehow more deserving, of full rights and privileges of living in America.
Now some history:
From 1776 to 1783, no state government had a passport requirement. The Articles of Confederation government (1783–1789) did not have a passport requirement. From 1789 through late 1941, the government established under the Constitution required United States passports of citizens only during the American Civil War (1861–1865) and during and shortly after World War I (1914–191. The passport requirement of the Civil War era lacked statutory authority. After the outbreak of World War I, passports were required by executive order, though there was no statutory authority for the requirement. The Travel Control Act of May 22, 1918 permitted the president, when the United States was at war, to proclaim a passport requirement, and a proclamation was issued on August 18, 1918.
Though World War I ended on November 11, 1918, the passport requirement lingered until March 3, 1921.
There was an absence of a passport requirement under United States law between 1921 and 1941.
World War II (1939–1945) again led to passport requirements under the Travel Control Act of 1918.
A 1978 amendment to the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 made it illegal to to enter or depart the United States without an issued passport even in peacetime.
So there you have it. Free travel has been the rule of law until the paranoid geniuses declared themselves more worthy to exist in this country than foreigners.
Which always brings me back to the Native Americans, and how their demise instilled guilt of something similar happening to themselves, the good ole white is right US of A, warping their paranoid brains into uncontrollable seizures until they could write laws to prevent the same thing from happening to them.
The founding fathers would be ashamed of the policy of excluding people from freely entering and living in the land of the free they fought and died for. Albeit at the expense of the current inhabitants of America at the time.
They didn't write, "we hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal...(except them criminal Mexican dirtbags that won't qualify for free entry)"
If they can't fix their own country how are we supposed to carry the burden of those who didn't help themselves, answer is we can't and they will just drag us down. By some chance Mexico does straighten up then I believe we could have an easier relationship with them like we do with Canada, until then it is like a prison with no walls, nothing good will come of it.
Freedom doesn't mean a damn thing to you does it.
Freedom will come from it.
One of the pesky dirtbag Mexicans may someday after receiving a quality US education, discover a cure for cancer or even immortality.
How dare you consider free travel and freedom to be dragging you down.
Freedom isn't something that can be rationed or qualified for by documentation.
It's an idea that doesn't follow the rules of "show us your papers."
You support freedom or you don't.
Pick a side.
The freedom side, or the government controlling your life side.
Stop listening to Ron Paul. He's a freedom hating Libertarian nationalist.
Entropy will not fail. You can't stop the laws of thermodynamics.
All borders cease to exist, all walls come crumbling down.
In a prior post, you said you support social medicine in the US. I guess I'm curious how you would manage and pay for a social medical system without defined borders and immigration controls? That would mean every inhabitant on the planet earth qualifies for medical care in America.
I would probably agree with the free travel and no borders if each individual was responsible for their lives and the costs associated with life(food, clothing, shelter, MEDICAL CARE)
it's not a burden to have immigrants....IT IS A BURDEN TO MAKE A SOCIALIST SYSTEM THAT MAKES IT APPEAR EASIER LIGHTER NO EFFORT IN AMERICA....
pull up your bootstraps or ask Mayor Daddy Bloomberg to freakin' adopt you and put you up at his palace...along with soros/buffet/obama/bush/romney OH AND let's not forget about Hillary's freakin' village....where ever that is..oh wait I found it....it was built before Hillary's by M. Night Shyamalan.....
there we go....there's the model....
Finally, someone who understands that people are not a burden.
The damn nanny state government is the cause of your woes, not the Mexicans who dream of a better life and are determined to work hard to get it.
Free travel is freedom. The US used to stand for freedom.
Now they make you qualify for freedom.
I have a newsflash, there are no qualifications for freedom.
Everyone is born with it, they just hand it over to the first thug who demands extortion or obedience.
Spineless America.
The founding fathers would shoot you all in the back.
Recognized- and then givin a job mowing the lawn at your brothers Arizona condo- maybe your bro could tell the condo HOA to put some white guys to work and that he doesnt care if they need to raise his HOA dues by 50 bucks· why dont people like your bro report this criminal activity?
In a prior post, you said you support social medicine in the US. I guess I'm curious how you would manage and pay for a social medical system without defined borders and immigration controls? That would mean every inhabitant on the planet earth qualifies for medical care in America.
Obviously you are correct. I don't see the dilemma.
Americans go to Canada for free health care every day.
Anyone in the US should receive health care exactly the same as anyone born here.
Freedom and equality aren't laws or regulations.
Qualifying for equality is an oxymoron.
We could feed clothe and house every poor person in the US and Mexico for less than we spend on border enforcement, deportation, court costs, law enforcement, etc.
We have become a police state where the police live larger than the rest of society.
All our efforts are concentrated on denial and exclusion.
All our money is taken to keep us safe from these imaginary enemies.
There are no terrorist out there that they are protecting you from. They are merely protecting their own share of the tax booty by promoting the fear and keeping you needing them.
Anyone in the US should receive health care exactly the same as anyone born here.
Freedom and equality aren't laws or regulations.
Qualifying for equality is an oxymoron.
In a socialized system that is funded through the coercive powers of government does require qualifying for equality. If I am forced to pay tens of thousands of dollars over my lifetime to fund a central socialized medical system, then the person that hasn't paid a dime is less equal than me in relation to social medical care. If I need an organ transplant and on a waiting list, and a visitor comes to America seeking the same organ transplant, I believe at that point somebody in government will have to make a judgement as to who is more deserving and FIRST in line to receive the organ transplant.
On the other hand, if capitalist markets were allowed to exist, and you proposed the same open border policy, I would then agree that you do not have to qualify to be equal, because if both the permanent resident and the casual visitor went to a doctor for a broken arm, both would be treated equally and charged the same amount for the service and be required to pay for it out of their own pockets.
Your open boarder and socialized medicine system doesn't work because you are creating inequality by allowing people to reap the benefits from the fruits of another man's labor.
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