Quoted from Box A Rox

US auto workers (over a million of them) are now paying taxes in the USA.  They aren't on Welfare...
they are paying their bills and stimulating the economy every day.  

Had Obama not saved them (as Romney would have done) many of them would be on welfare now, draining
the system, instead of working feeding their families and helping the economy grow.

Consider today's unemployment and economic stability if we suddenly dropped one million more unemployed
to drain what's left of the system.

The US economy was in free fall... until the stimulus... and has been slowly recovering ever since.

There is a HUGE difference between the 100+ billion used for the auto companies and the 800 billion used for supposed shovel ready projects. The auto company aid was given to a motor that had gas in the tank.
The majority of the other stimulus was given to states and other government entities. Why do you think the state and city budgets are in free fall deficit...the money is gone, it didn't need to paid back like  the auto money...and sad part is no one can tell you definitively where it went.
There is NO proof the non-auto stimulus created the turnaround...none. We have had recessions before, and with no government help, the economy has recovered. It's called Economic cycles.

Quoted from 55tbird

There is a HUGE difference between the 100+ billion used for the auto companies and the 800 billion used for supposed shovel ready projects. The auto company aid was given to a motor that had gas in the tank.
The majority of the other stimulus was given to states and other government entities. Why do you think the state and city budgets are in free fall deficit...the money is gone, it didn't need to paid back like  the auto money...and sad part is no one can tell you definitively where it went.
There is NO proof the non-auto stimulus created the turnaround...none.

We have had recessions before, and with no government help, the economy has recovered. It's called Economic cycles.

We have had recessions before, and with no government help, the economy has recovered. It's called Economic cycles.
True... and other recessions have also used stimulus funds, or jobs programs, or other plans to recover.

The present economy IS recovering... consider where the economy was 3 1/2years ago and compare it to today.
Slow steady growth is SLOWLY pulling us from the recession with no help from...
THE PARTY OF NO!

the jobs growth is not even keeping up with new people entering the workforce.
That's why the unemployment numbers are really useless. It doesn't count people that have given up looking or never had a job to begin with.
And the jobs that are coming back are low paying jobs, not close to the ones that were lost.

If things were coming slowly but surely, the fed would not be talking about QE3 and we would not be talking about ANOTHER stimulus. No one wants to say it an election year, but we are THIS close to another recession.
Until we truly get a handle on the debt issue, we will not have a chance to see real growth.

Quoted from 55tbird

the jobs growth is not even keeping up with new people entering the workforce.
That's why the unemployment numbers are really useless. It doesn't count people that have given up looking or never had a job to begin with.
And the jobs that are coming back are low paying jobs, not close to the ones that were lost.

If things were coming slowly but surely, the fed would not be talking about QE3 and we would not be talking about ANOTHER stimulus. No one wants to say it an election year, but we are THIS close to another recession.
Until we truly get a handle on the debt issue, we will not have a chance to see real growth.

There have been several "debt issue" bills in congress.  Many have had abortion language attached to
them.  Says a lot about how serious the party of NO is about the Debt.

Best part is, box posts a graph that shows massive job loss during the first year of his presidency in 2009 when democrats controlled the federal government, then posts an article that shows him proposing a jobs in 2011.  You would think he would have proposed that bill in 2009 when the job loss was the greatest.  Purely political.

Quoted from Box A Rox

There have been several "debt issue" bills in congress.  Many have had abortion language attached to
them.  Says a lot about how serious the party of NO is about the Debt.

Yup.. and there was one that Boehner and Obama agreed to, and then Obama added another tax to it at the last minute, and it blew up. There is plenty of blame to go around. You keep on preaching that party line, Box.

Quoted from 55tbird

There is plenty of blame to go around. You keep on preaching that party line, Box.

IMO. as do you!

Quoted from CICERO

Best part is, box posts a graph that shows massive job loss during the first year of his presidency in 2009 when democrats controlled the federal government, then posts an article that shows him proposing a jobs in 2011.  You would think he would have proposed that bill in 2009 when the job loss was the greatest.  Purely political.

Obama took office in Jan 2009. as the Bush Economic Meltdown was at it's height.
Look at the graph... new leadership, brand new administration, with (as the republicans loved to tell us
last election day) a no experience president... and he ended the Bush Decline in only a few months...
ended the war in under 2 years... has a end date for the other Bush war... and the economy is SLOWLY
coming back from the 2nd worst economic disaster in our history.

Not bad for someone who's just a "community organizer"!

Wait till you see the progress in his next 4 years of his presidency.

8.1%
+96,000
FED SET TO PUMP
368,000 DROPPED OUT
88,921,000 'NOT IN LABOR FORCE'

oooohhhh....it's stimulating.....a bunch of lower wage jobs.....it's called RE-LEVERAGING ...

moodys will tell us our worth