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prior to satellites we didn't know this happened.....

oooooooo....cool pics though

we are not that old of a civilization......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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The climate is warming the debate is what is causing it and man may have nothing to do with it.
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The climate is warming the debate is what is causing it and man may have nothing to do with it.


In France, they have to shut down nuclear reactors when the rivers get too hot for fish to survive.

We release more energy every day from nuclear reactors than was released on Hiroshima.

Since nuclear power began we tested releasing over 500 megatons of energy.

Hiroshima was 12 kilotons.

A kiloton is the equivalent of the energy released from burning a thousand tons of TNT.

If we take all the US nuclear testing energy released and divided it by the square miles on North America, it would be the equivalent of one Hiroshima every 5 square miles.

510 megatons divided by 12 kilotons equals 42,500 Hiroshimas!

Plus the daily release from the giant space heaters we call nuclear power generators.

To deny this energy being pumped into the water and the atmosphere is causing change is wishful thinking.

The same wishful thinking that denied that cars created smog over cities.

Then we have the co2 emissions altering the filtering of solar radiation.

People are ignorant of just how much heat we pump into the world every day.

The rivers are too hot for fish to survive.

That's definitely a warning sign people.

Am I the only person that studied nuclear physics?

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That pales in comparison of a large volcanic eruption, and no where near the power emitted by the sun.
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Quoted from Shadow
The climate is warming the debate is what is causing it and man may have nothing to do with it.


With this statement in mind and considering we have no other planet to go to, shouldn't we be safe rather than sorry? Even if your not 100% sure say 50-50, In the long run if global warming turns out not to be from us, ok cool, you were right. But if it is from us and we do nothing to try and stop it, we will have done permanent and probably irreversible damage to our planet.
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In France, they have to shut down nuclear reactors when the rivers get too hot for fish to survive.

We release more energy every day from nuclear reactors than was released on Hiroshima.

Since nuclear power began we tested releasing over 500 megatons of energy.

Hiroshima was 12 kilotons.

A kiloton is the equivalent of the energy released from burning a thousand tons of TNT.

If we take all the US nuclear testing energy released and divided it by the square miles on North America, it would be the equivalent of one Hiroshima every 5 square miles.

510 megatons divided by 12 kilotons equals 42,500 Hiroshimas!

Plus the daily release from the giant space heaters we call nuclear power generators.

To deny this energy being pumped into the water and the atmosphere is causing change is wishful thinking.

The same wishful thinking that denied that cars created smog over cities.

Then we have the co2 emissions altering the filtering of solar radiation.

People are ignorant of just how much heat we pump into the world every day.

The rivers are too hot for fish to survive.

That's definitely a warning sign people.

Am I the only person that studied nuclear physics?



yes

I demand that you educate me....I am ignorant of this nuclear heat...except of course for Godzilla and the movies..
although I think Cuomo will remedy this....

you need to apply for a grant and make an informational film....*tic*



...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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yes

I demand that you educate me....I am ignorant of this nuclear heat...except of course for Godzilla and the movies..
although I think Cuomo will remedy this....

you need to apply for a grant and make an informational film....*tic*



Hold on, I'm sending Al Gore an email.

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Climate Change Hoax... And the wackos who believe it!

~Climate change is a hoax.
~The moon landings were faked,
~ 9/11 was an inside job,
~ and the CIA is hiding the identity of the gunman on the grassy knoll.

It might seem odd to lump climate change with conspiracy theories like these. But new research to be published
in Psychological Science has found a link between the endorsement of conspiracy theories and the rejection
of established facts about climate science.

All scientists are sceptics: it is a healthy, everyday part of the process of systematically weighing up
evidence and reaching a considered conclusion. But FACTS ARE FACTS!

People who endorsed conspiracy theories such as “9/11 was an inside job” and “the moon landings were
faked”, were also more likely to reject established scientific facts about climate change, such as “I believe
that the burning of fossil fuels on the scale observed over the last 50 years has increased atmospheric
temperatures to an appreciable degree.”

The problem is that “the facts” are not “the facts” for a small proportion of people – and the noise made
by this minority group dilutes the otherwise clear signal about climate change received by the wider population.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Posted 03/27/2012 06:58 PM EST

Environment: Climate change alarmists either ignore the existence of the Medieval Warm Period or say that it was regional rather than global. A new report, however, shows that the warming was worldwide.
The Medieval Warm Period is a profound problem for those who claim that man's 20th- and 21st-century carbon dioxide emissions are warming the earth.

If an era as warm or warmer than today did indeed exist 500 to 1,000 years ago, before man had invented the CO2-emitting internal combustion engine, then it weakens their claim that any warming occurring now is due to human activity. The reality of such a period is a strong sign that climate change is both natural and cyclical, not moved by man's modern habits.

In fact, confirmation of the Medieval Warm Period not only dilutes the alarmists' argument, it virtually kills it.

So rather than deal with it, they act as if it never happened. They want to try to make it, as one message among the Climate-gate emails suggested, "go away."

Or they insist that it was confined to Europe and maybe North America, and therefore is of little relevance. This is the position of the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which is supported by America's Environmental Protection Agency that says the "geographical extent, magnitude and timing of the warmth during this period is uncertain."

It's also the position of Al Gore, the former vice president who set off most of the global warming hysteria.

He has maligned the Medieval Warm Period as a "tiny" blip on the temperature chart of history that he imagines proves the nonsense that he's been disgorging for years.Scientists from Syracuse University, however, have found evidence that strongly affirms that the Medieval Warm Period was no myth but rather a global event, affecting even Antarctica.

Their study, published in the April issue of Earth and Planetary Science Letters, carries the academic title of "An Ikaite record of late Holocene climate at the Antarctic Peninsula."

Journalists shouldn't let the wonkish title stop them from reporting on the study. And they probably won't.

Instead, the bulk of the mainstream media will conveniently miss the study for another reason: It doesn't fit their man-is-causing-the-earth-to-warm narrative.

There's nothing new there, though.

It's an old habit for the media to either ignore or poorly cover evidence that doesn't support global warming alarmism.

A rather cursory look at just three websites — former meteorologist Anthony Watts' blog, junkscience.com and the home of the Science and Environmental Policy Project — reveals the media have passed on at least 25 studies, reports and articles that punch holes in the global warming claim.

From a study that found tree-ring data, used extensively in the hockey stick chart that allegedly proves global warming, are an unreliable proxy of past temperatures; to an account of growing sea ice in the Arctic and in Antarctica; to a report about researchers finding a new ocean current, there is a lot of contrary evidence to disclose.
And that's looking back only a month. How much more evidence is out there contradicting the scientific "consensus" that man is warming his planet, but is being disregarded by an agenda-driven mainstream media?

Don't expect the media-enviro-alarmist complex to give up its campaign because research has yet again shown that its case against humanity continues to wilt under scrutiny.

It's too heavily invested in its story and the goal — stronger government, weaker capitalism and diminished liberty — that it's been zealously working toward.

But it has suffered another small cut, and the minor wounds keep adding up as the facts continue to roll out and the effects of climate change that we have been warned about never develop. Its golden age will have been pushed closer to its conclusion by a warm period.
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The problem is that “the facts” are not “the facts” for a small proportion of people – and the noise made
by this minority group dilutes the otherwise clear signal about climate change received by the wider population.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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The problem is that “the facts” are not “the facts” for a small proportion of people – and the noise made
by this minority group dilutes the otherwise clear signal about climate change received by the wider population.


More lessons in fallacious argument.

Bandwagon(argumentum ad populum)

a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or most people believe it. In other words, the basic idea of the argument is: "If many believe so, it is so."


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More lessons in fallacious argument.
Bandwagon(argumentum ad populum)
a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or most people believe it. In other words, the basic idea of the argument is: "If many believe so, it is so."


See 'grasshopper' you are capable of learning... now if you will just point your 'quest' in the direction of
TRUTH instead of pointing your quest toward your agenda... you may actually learn something.

Oh, by the way...
YOUR WELCOME  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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Koch-Funded Study Finds ‘Global Warming Is Real’,
And ‘Essentially All’ Due To Carbon Pollution



“The decadal land-surface average temperature using a 10-year moving average of surface
temperatures over land. Anomalies are relative to the Jan 1950 – December 1979 mean. The
grey band indicates 95% statistical and spatial uncertainty interval.” A Koch-funded reanalysis
of 1.6 billion temperature reports finds that “essentially all of this increase is due to the human
emission of greenhouse gases.”

The Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature Study (BEST) is poised to release its findings next week
on the cause of recent global warming. A forthcoming NY Times op-ed by Richard Muller, BEST’s
Founder and Scientific Director:

"CALL me a converted skeptic. Three years ago I identified scientific issues that, in my mind,
threw doubt on the very existence of global warming. Now, after organizing an intensive research
effort involving a dozen scientists, I’ve concluded that global warming is real, that the prior
estimates of the rate were correct, and that cause is human."


Muller has been a skeptic of climate science, and the single biggest funder of this study is
the “Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation ($150,000).” The Kochs are the leading funder
of climate disinformation in the world!


Reason.com
http://reason.com/blog/2012/07/28/new-global-temperature-data-reanlysis-co


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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See 'grasshopper' you are capable of learning... now if you will just point your 'quest' in the direction of
TRUTH instead of pointing your quest toward your agenda... you may actually learn something.
D


Oh, you mean the "TRUTH" in that ALEC Rock Youtube video?  No agenda there...


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