The law offers the incentive of allowing you to drive, if you pay the driver's licensing fees.
I'm missing something in your argument. How does your significant other change the definition of force of licensing, marriage or driving?
I was comparing the "incentive" of marriage licensing and drawing the parallel with drivers licensing. I pay social security through the fruits of my labor. I have no choice. If I want my spouse to be eligible to collect it if should die, I have to be married. If I am not married, tens of thousands of my money is withheld by the government because I did not comply with their licensing and my spouses standard of living goes down.
With a drivers license, there is no money collected up front by the government through withholdings in my paycheck, and then offered back to me or my spouse if I comply with government licensing.
The government is wrong by forcing parents to pay into the public school system in the first place. The second problem with compulsory schooling is that your impressionable child is subjected to many teachers that will have both a positive and negative impact on your child beyond the 3 R's.
How are you forced to pay into the public school system? You agreed to be a member of a democratic society. That was voluntary.
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I'm not disagreeing with your emphasis on parental responsibility and instilling personal and religious values. But I think it's a bit naive to think that the 8 hours in a government school won't leave a lasting impression on a child's mind.
If you feel that strongly simply withdraw your children and home school them. Are the family values that you instilled in your children that weak that you believe the government will simply brainwash them away?
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The problem isn't necessarily the curriculum of the government school, but the fact the parents are forced to pay if they choose alternative education. Paying for public school isn't optional. You can't opt out.
School taxes are not mandatory. Owning property in certain areas requires payment of school taxes.
Home ownership is not mandatory, neither is living in a taxable school district.
I was comparing the "incentive" of marriage licensing and drawing the parallel with drivers licensing. I pay social security through the fruits of my labor. I have no choice. If I want my spouse to be eligible to collect it if should die, I have to be married. If I am not married, tens of thousands of my money is withheld by the government because I did not comply with their licensing and my spouses standard of living goes down.
With a drivers license, there is no money collected up front by the government through withholdings in my paycheck, and then offered back to me or my spouse if I comply with government licensing.
Ok. I see now. You argument is that it is not fair that your are taxed and your benefits differ by not getting a government issued marriage.
Absolutely true. All persons should be treated equally under the law regardless of marital status.
Income tax laws that benefit married couple are inherently unfair as well. I don't disagree.
The solution is to vote for better representatives to make decisions for you.
Democratic election of representative government to decide a school curriculum isn't mob rule any more than electing a President would be.
So yes, I do believe in Democratic choices of representatives.
Well, we are not a democracy, we are a democratic republic. That was to prevent mob rule. There is a Constitution to prevent the minority from being subjected to the majority.
But it seems to me that you believe society and government have the same if not more rights to your children than you do. Do you believe that you MUST fund and expose your child to the state mandated curriculum?
How are you forced to pay into the public school system? You agreed to be a member of a democratic society. That was voluntary.
So at the end of the day, your final argument is, since I CHOOSE to live in democracy in America, I choose to be subjected to the rule of the majority, and that my opinions on the role of government licensing of marriage or government intrusions on personal choices by the use of force should be abandon.
Geez, that's a real debate ender. You pulled the ole 'move to another country' if you don't like it.
... it seems to me that you believe society and government have the same if not more rights to your children than you do. Do you believe that you MUST fund and expose your child to the state mandated curriculum?
I don't believe that I have to do it. But I already did it 30 years ago. My children are in their 30s.
Somehow they turned out ok even with all the brainwashing. I taught them when they are being fed bull crap to turn their head sideways so it can enter one ear and fall out the other easier.
You must fund it as long as you keep electing people that require it.
As a matter of fact, my kids had to endure Constantino at Mohonasen.
I don't believe or agree with most things the government does. It just seems to be the only practical game in town.
So at the end of the day, your final argument is, since I CHOOSE to live in democracy in America, I choose to be subjected to the rule of the majority, and that my opinions on the role of government licensing of marriage or government intrusions on personal choices by the use of force should be abandon.
Not at all. Take action. Do something to improve the situation. there are thousands of layers to get through before you will make a dent. I'm recently retired so I've already suffered all the abuse of a lifetime of indentured servitude that I could stand. I guess the only advice I can give you is make the most out of the available choices and don't sweat the small stuff. Sure the basic principles of our government amounts to theft and coercion, but there really aren't alternatives.
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Geez, that's a real debate ender. You pulled the ole 'move to another country' if you don't like it.
I have considered moving to other countries from time to time during my life. I was unable to find anywhere with laws and climates that would suit me better. I hope to dump my property in Rotterdam and move to the south where taxes and living expenses are more suitable. My home is paid for. I have full equity to fall back on. Social security for me and my wife will be just over $3,000 a month when it all gets kicked in. I'm just waiting for property values to come up a bit before I sell.
This is the time where my wife and I get the benefits of accepting the government licensing of our marriage, and a lifetime of payroll deductions.
U.S. Acceptance of Gay/Lesbian Relations Is the New Normal For third year, majority says gay/lesbian relations are morally acceptable:
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Where is the line for "who really cares?" There should be 3 choices. Pro 35 anti 25 who cares 40
Pro is 54% Anti is 42% ... and the "who really cares/no opinion, is the remaining 4%.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Only 4% don't care? Nah...I just think that only 4% were smart enough to realize they were presented false choices. Kinda like the pepsi challenge, it's always between coke and pepsi, ginger ale is never a choice.
Pro is 54% Anti is 42% ... and the "who really cares/no opinion, is the remaining 4%.
I did a random survey today with 10 people I asked if they were in favor of gay marriages, against gay marriages or don't really care about the issue.
One said belligerently, "a marriage is between a man and a woman."
8 said they don't care.
One said who gives a f..k
All from Rotterdam.
In your chart above, the 54% who were listed as in favor of gay marriages, could be interpreted as people who really just don't care if the law is changed to include gays.
I think the fanatics on both sides see this as a big issue. I really think it isn't a big deal and it will never affect my life in any way.
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