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Libertarian4life
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Amazing!  Zimmerman, bigger and stronger of the two and armed with a pistol, follows Martin, against police
instructions... shoots and kills Martin, and some are portraying the aggressor in this incident as the victim.

OJ followed Nicole and Ron to her home carrying a knife... OJ bigger, stronger and armed, kills Nicole and
Ron...
I guess we could say OJ in a similar case... was the victim.


Following someone around while carrying a gun was his first mistake.

All the neighborhood watch genius needed was a video camera. The police would have handled it from there, if he actually witnessed anything that was a crime.

Cops follow suspicious people all the time while carrying guns.

Zimmerman says he was concerned for the safety of the neighborhood. He was, in fact, the biggest danger to his own neighborhood.

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By all means it should be a last resort but there are to many scenarios that can play out where using your gun could and should be used even if the attacker is unarmed. If someone attacks you even with his fist they have shown they intend harm on your body, there are to many cases where the victim becomes unconscious and then he is at the mercy of the attacker which then leads to the victims death. If you are outnumbered and have no fighting chance to defend yourself other than a gun the gun should be used. If someone kicks you in the head many areas now consider that attempted murder and you have the right to use lethal force in return. All I'm saying is that this is not black and white, there is gray areas, either way at the end of the day people should do whatever is necessary to make it home at the end of the day safe and alive.


Your statement is what is commonly known as the "better to be tried by 12 than carried by six" defense.

Killing someone with your gun becomes premeditated the minute you carry the gun and use it.

You better be prepared for the consequences.

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Following someone around while carrying a gun was his first mistake.

All the neighborhood watch genius needed was a video camera. The police would have handled it from there, if he actually witnessed anything that was a crime.

Cops follow suspicious people all the time while carrying guns.

Zimmerman says he was concerned for the safety of the neighborhood. He was, in fact, the biggest danger to his own neighborhood.



The lesson learned from this whole incident is - DON'T BE A NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH PERSON AND DON'T CALL 9-11 because every taped conversation can be used against you. If you legally carry a gun and you have to use it - shoot and scoot - then inform the police.  


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Killing someone with your gun becomes premeditated the minute you carry the gun and use it.


...Unless you are a police officer.  They are given a different set of rules.  Their lives are more valuable.  Just look at the incident at the Gazette building.  A cop with body armor was "attacked" by a man with a knife and filled him with lead.  Not a problem for a cop, he'll probably get some sort of medal.


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Your statement is what is commonly known as the "better to be tried by 12 than carried by six" defense.

Killing someone with your gun becomes premeditated the minute you carry the gun and use it.

You better be prepared for the consequences.



Laws paint scenarios with a large brush and it is foolish to believe any 2 scenarios are alike when it comes to self defense.



"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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As a member of that neighborhood, Martin was one of the people that Zimmerman was supposed to protect...
Instead he ended up killing him.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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As a member of that neighborhood, Martin was one of the people that Zimmerman was supposed to protect...Instead he ended up killing him.


Cops do it all the time.


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I know a few people who carry concealed everywhere they go and they are not necessarily looking for trouble only for self defense. I rarely carry outside the house unless I'm going hunting due to the many problems that you can encounter the minute the weapon leaves the confines of your house. NYS, and Mass are not gun friendly states so if you do ever have to kill someone you had better make sure you have followed all the rules set down by the state. In some southern states "he needed killin" is a valid defense.
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I know a few people who carry concealed everywhere they go and they are not necessarily looking for trouble only for self defense. I rarely carry outside the house unless I'm going hunting due to the many problems that you can encounter the minute the weapon leaves the confines of your house. NYS, and Mass are not gun friendly states so if you do ever have to kill someone you had better make sure you have followed all the rules set down by the state. In some southern states "he needed killin" is a valid defense.


And Zimmerman determined that Martin... Needed Killin'.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Your statement is what is commonly known as the "better to be tried by 12 than carried by six" defense.

Killing someone with your gun becomes premeditated the minute you carry the gun and use it.

You better be prepared for the consequences.



That s perhaps the most foolish statement you have made. Preparing to defend yourself with a legal firearmis not premeditating murder any more than being a blackbelt is. We have another phoney libertarian here, hiding his socialist cloak.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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That s perhaps the most foolish statement you have made. Preparing to defend yourself with a legal firearm is not premeditating murder any more than being a blackbelt is. We have another phoney libertarian here, hiding his socialist cloak.


True. It may be premeditated self defense. It is still premeditated though.

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What exactly did fussing at kids consist of?

I never heard of someone fussing at kids. It must be an Alabama term.

One more thing, he fussed at the kids, but was beaten by adults.

One article on google news says he may have been using racial epithets while fussing.

Kids block the street playing basketball everywhere. Most people just live and let live.



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I never heard of someone fussing at kids.


Probably haven't spent much time in the south have ya................
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What exactly did fussing at kids consist of?

I never heard of someone fussing at kids. It must be an Alabama term.

One more thing, he fussed at the kids, but was beaten by adults.

One article on google news says he may have been using racial epithets while fussing.

Kids block the street playing basketball everywhere. Most people just live and let live.




So, you're excusing condoning violence for a possible racial epithet?

You're not a libertarian, you're an Anarchist


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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