Not every action taken in the name of the 'sovereign citizen' ideology is a crime, but the list of illegal actions committed by these groups and individuals is extensive (and puts them squarely on our radar) … sovereign citizens: ~commit murder and physical assault; ~threaten judges, law enforcement professionals, and government personnel; ~impersonate police officers and diplomats; ~use fake currency, passports, license plates, and driver’s licenses; and ~engineer various white-collar scams, including mortgage fraud and so-called "redemption" schemes.
Most notable was the incident involving Jerry Kane and his 16-year-old-son Joe during a routine traffic stop on May 20, 2010 in West Memphis, Arkansas, which ended with two police officers and Jerry and his son dead from gunshot wounds. Kane didn’t carry a driver’s license, and his SCM license plate, in the West Memphis incident, caused the officers to stop and question him.
Sovereign Citizen Kane made his position crystal clear at one of his seminars when he said: ~ "I don’t want to have to kill anybody. But if they keep messing with me, that’s what it’s going to have to come out, that’s what it’s going to come down to is I’m gonna have to kill. And if I have to kill one, then I’m not going to be able to stop."
It’s unfortunate that the “sovereign citizen movement” appears, on the surface, to understand some of the concerns of legitimate conservatives in the freedom fight but have, for various reasons, twisted and confused and misapprehended those concerns to their own ends, sometimes with tragic consequences. Economist Gary North was explicit about what a proper response to the SCM should be: “Fringe groups that take up arms against the state attract people without good sense. It is wise to avoid them.”
(Just one more Right Wing Terrorist Group! )
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
There nayboobs are the TRUE threat to American liberty and tradition.. It is high time to round them up.
But yet you and Boxy will ignore the thousands of deaths committed by gangs like MS-13 and the Bloods. Let me guess they get a pass because they're misunderstood and most likely grew up in poverty, nah that ain't it the truth is this is about political beliefs and most people here will see that for what it is. If you are walking alone at night are you more worried about sovereign citizens or a group of local gang members, exactly.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
But yet you and Boxy will ignore the thousands of deaths committed by gangs like MS-13 and the Bloods. Let me guess they get a pass because they're misunderstood and most likely grew up in poverty, nah that ain't it the truth is this is about political beliefs and most people here will see that for what it is. If you are walking alone at night are you more worried about sovereign citizens or a group of local gang members, exactly.
Henry, Sovereign citizens are a political group... their aim eventually is to overthrow the US govt. by force if necessary.
MS-13 and Bloods are criminals... Not political... criminals, drug dealing, murdering, gang criminals. I would treat the MS 13 and Bloods the same way that I'd tread any other organized crime group. Why would you think otherwise???
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
But yet you and Boxy will ignore the thousands of deaths committed by gangs like MS-13 and the Bloods. Let me guess they get a pass because they're misunderstood and most likely grew up in poverty, nah that ain't it the truth is this is about political beliefs and most people here will see that for what it is. If you are walking alone at night are you more worried about sovereign citizens or a group of local gang members, exactly.
Well stated Henry!! Overthrowing a corrupt socialist country is patriotic.....even if it's your own country! I believe it has been done successfully if one knows their history. These folks should be applauded.
On the other hand...historically M-13's in the hands of 'kids' for use other than protecting their country....is socially new and scary at best. These kids/gangs should be arrested!!
Apples and oranges here.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Well stated Henry!! Overthrowing a corrupt socialist country is patriotic.....even if it's your own country! I believe it has been done successfully if one knows their history. These folks should be applauded. On the other hand...historically M-13's in the hands of 'kids' for use other than protecting their country....is socially new and scary at best. These kids/gangs should be arrested!! Apples and oranges here.
I seldom agree with the Bumbler, but comparing criminal gangs with domestic terrorists IS comparing apples and oranges.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
their aim eventually is to overthrow the US govt. by force if necessary.
Actually its not, they wished to be left alone with their privacy and be allowed to keep the fruits of their labor, I know to you that may seem radical but for many it is not. I don't agree with everything they do or believe in but truth is they're being vilified not for their actions but what they stand for. Look at your post and look at what he said, "if they keep messing with me", well maybe that is a hint that they should leave him alone if he isn't infringing on anybody else's rights. Now if he infringes on somebodies rights first then he is now a criminal and he can be targeted for arrest.
MS-13 and Bloods are criminals... Not political... criminals, drug dealing, murdering, gang criminals. I would treat the MS 13 and Bloods the same way that I'd tread any other organized crime group. Why would you think otherwise???
Please, you put right wing domestic terrorists in big words hoping others would see this group as the main threat rather than the groups who already killed thousands of Americans. You wish to ignore real threats because of political beliefs, maybe you should look up gang related deaths this year alone then compare that to your post which needed to go back 2 years for a story pfft.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
"if they keep messing with me", well maybe that is a hint that they should leave him alone if he isn't infringing on anybody else's rights. Now if he infringes on somebodies rights first then he is now a criminal and he can be targeted for arrest.
EXACTLY!!! But the crazy lefty's just don't get it!! They continue to force their crazy lefty agenda on folks who just want to be left alone and free to live their lives. The crazy lefties won't rest until every living person relinquishes their freedoms, liberty and personal rights and responsibility to GOV ALMIGHTY!! They are doing it in other countries and are trying to do it in this country! Thank God for the common sense, constitution loving patriotic resistance!!!
Ain't happenin'!!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Well stated Henry!! Overthrowing a corrupt socialist country is patriotic.....even if it's your own country! I believe it has been done successfully if one knows their history. These folks should be applauded.
Here's the thing they don't wish to overthrow the government, they just wish to have a return of what our government was supposed to be which is a Republic. Just because of that people like Boxy considers them domestic terrorists
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
EXACTLY!!! But the crazy lefty's just don't get it!! They continue to force their crazy lefty agenda on folks who just want to be left alone and free to live their lives. The crazy lefties won't rest until every living person relinquishes their freedoms, liberty and personal rights and responsibility to GOV ALMIGHTY!! They are doing it in other countries and are trying to do it in this country! Thank God for the common sense, constitution loving patriotic resistance!!!
Ain't happenin'!!!
BINGO
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
EXACTLY!!! But the crazy lefty's just don't get it!! They continue to force their crazy lefty agenda on folks who just want to be left alone and free to live their lives. The crazy lefties won't rest until every living person relinquishes their freedoms, liberty and personal rights and responsibility to GOV ALMIGHTY!! !
Bumble... I left out the source of my original post... The first and last line of that post are mine... The Rest is from: THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY It's John Birchers words, not mine that you have a problem with...
There, how did you put it??? Oh yea: There: CRAZY LEFT AGENDA...
(A note to right-wing extremists: When the John Birch Society (JBS) condemns your movement as a “fringe group” whose followers are “paranoid” “conspiracy theorists” who “occasionally go off the deep end … when confronted with reality,” it’s time for some serious soul-searching.)
To read the CRAZY LEFT AGENDA go to The John Birch Society and READ THEIR WORDS:
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Logged
