Have you forgotten Acorn Box, lots of voter fraud involved there too. Some people even went to jail over that.
Show me then Shadow. How many? Which people went to jail for VOTER FRAUD... not Election fraud, but voter fraud.
Got any names, charges, dates, crimes and sentences???
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Box you're splitting hairs here fraud is fraud. Make everyone who votes in either a primary, main election, or obtains an absentee ballot show a photo ID in order to vote and make the election process honest and fair.
Box you're splitting hairs here fraud is fraud. Make everyone who votes in either a primary, main election, or obtains an absentee ballot show a photo ID in order to vote and make the election process honest and fair.
No Shadow, You're missing the point.
Voter fraud, if it exists would be a good reason to start a voter ID program.
BUT
Election fraud, which is an entirely different crime, would not be impacted at all by a Voter ID law.
When a poll worker signs petition ballots instead of getting signatures of local citizens... that is Election Fraud. When Absentee ballots are either illegally added or 'lost' from a ballot count... that is Election Fraud. When ACORN was making up names to add to registration lists... that is Election Fraud.
The Republican plan to disenfranchise poor and minority voters, is about non existent voter fraud...
I'm still waiting for the ACORN names that you say exist, of Voter Fraud criminals.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Box I really don't care if it's election fraud or voter fraud the truth remains that some kind of fraud is committed every election and it has to stop and a voter ID is a good place to start. Your argument about disenfranchizing poor and minorities is not true, remember the Supreme Court upheld the Indiana voter ID law as legal to prevent fraud. Even a Democrat from NH has stated that fraud is common in their elections. Stevens said the partisan divide in Indiana, as well as elsewhere, was noteworthy. But he said that preventing fraud and inspiring voter confidence were legitimate goals of the law, regardless of who backed or opposed it.
Indiana provides IDs free of charge to the poor and allows voters who lack photo ID to cast a provisional ballot and then show up within 10 days at their county courthouse to produce identification or otherwise attest to their identity.
Box I really don't care if it's election fraud or voter fraud the truth remains that some kind of fraud is committed every election and it has to stop and a voter ID is a good place to start. [/color]
We're right back to the same place again... You post: the truth remains that some kind of fraud is committed every election and it has to stop And I ask you for cases of "voter fraud"... you say they exist... and that it's a big problem... but you still don't post examples of the crime. Voter ID Laws will not prevent "election fraud"... a real problem that you seem unconcerned with, yet you keep posting that Voter ID will prevent a crime... a crime that doesn't exist.
Show me the cases of voter fraud... and we can discuss if it's a problem. Saying it exists doesn't make it exist. GWB's Justice Dept, in 5 years could only find less than a hundred cases... I don't know where you are going to find yours.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The Chicago machine that nurtured Barack Obama’s political career is legendary for its ability to manipulate an election. Indeed, cheating and fraud are such staples of Illinois politics that residents hardly notice any more. It is, of course, always interesting to hear a Chicago news-anchor provide the latest tally of calls to the “Election Fraud Hotline” and no doubt some wagers are won and lost among citizens once the final count is announced. But, for the most part, pay-offs, unregistered voters, dead voters, and all the rest are an accepted part of life in the Prairie State. We’re not proud of that, you’ll understand, we’ve simply come to accept that which we cannot change. This is the political culture that gave us a Barack Obama and, most importantly as far as this Election Day goes, brought political hucksters who believe that the “Chicago Way” is the only way to power.http://frontpagemag.com/2010/10/29/voter-fraud-in-america
But Tieche said the voter using the other flooded-out home as an address, and Roberts' research of other people not living in district 20 but voting there, raises real questions.
City attorneys also acknowledged in paperwork this week that based on Robert's research, people who voted in district 20 may not live in district 20.
A judge will now have to decide if there are enough questionable votes to call for a runoff election. ← Texas voter fraud trial rescheduled Lastest at Pajamas: Why states must go to court for Section 5 reviews → "NAACP voter fraud case shows need for voter ID" Posted on August 9, 2011 by Christian Adams
One News Now.
A spokeswoman for a network of black conservatives is pushing for states to require that voters present photo ID when voting. She cites one case of voter fraud that could have been prevented if such a policy were in place.
The case involves Lessadolla Sowers, a member of the Tunica County (Mississippi) National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) executive committee, who was convicted in April on ten counts of fraudulently casting absentee ballots in the names of ten men and women, four of them deceased. Sowers received a five-year prison term for each of the ten counts, which she is to serve concurrently.http://verifythevoteaz.org/2011/08/naacp-voter-fraud-case-shows-need-for-voter-id/
The Chicago machine that nurtured Barack Obama’s political career is legendary for its ability to manipulate an election. /
Good. Lets start with the Obama election. Since according to you ... Chicago is LEGENDARY for it's ability to manipulate an election. Show me how "Obama's election was manipulated" with voter fraud. Since you claim that it's LEGENDARY, the proof should be easily available.
(Or you can just keep on posting that Voter Fraud exists... just because you heard it on FoxSnooze and you believe it. It has to be true... it just HAS TO BE!)
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
It's not my opinion it's the opinion of http://frontpagemag.com/2010/10/29/voter-fraud-in-america. I posted 3 examples of voter fraud and you just keep spinning the same old crap that only a few cases no need for voter ID.
No election would be complete without allegations of dead voters; yet each time, officials perform the same Scooby Doo routine, investigating wild accusations before discovering a much simpler explanation for the discrepancies.
Consider the following examples of supposedly “dead voters,” :
~ Georgia: In 1998, Georgia investigators pointed to a vote cast by Alan J. Mandel, despite his death the year prior. When officials looked into the matter, according to the Washington Post, they realized that the votes had been cast by Alan J. Mandell (with two L’s), a man still very much alive, and poll workers had simply marked off the wrong name.
~ California: When Michael Huffington lost to Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) in the 1994 Senate race, he contested his defeat by alleging voter fraud, including supposed votes cast by dead people. According to Seattle Post-Intelligencer columnist Lou Cannon, “A check by voting registrars in two populous counties (Alameda and Fresno) found that this claim was based on clerical errors in which voters signed their names on the wrong lines.”
~ Maryland: An investigation into a claim that 89 dead Marylanders had voted in the 1994 election proved spurious when FBI officials were unable to find any such cases. According to Timothy P. McNally, the special agent in charge of the FBI’s Maryland-Delaware field office, the closest evidence they came to finding fraud was when they “found one person who had voted then died a week after the election.”
~ New Hampshire: Following allegations that dead people had voted in New Hampshire’s 2004 general election, a subsequent investigation turned up little evidence. When officials sent postcards to the homes of possible “dead voters,” only one was returned as undeliverable; the woman in question died after Election Day but before she received the postcard.
For some people, lack of evidence does not outweigh their agenda driven beliefs.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Google Anthony DeFiglio. Voter fraud right in our own backyard.
Just for Cicero I'll explain it one more time. The VOTER ID law would require a voter to show a specific photo ID before he/she could vote. When some one shows up at a polling place to vote in another persons name... voter fraud. Got it?
Now for the case that you mention which is NOT VOTER FRAUD, but instead ELECTION FRAUD. From the TU: The City Council president, a councilman and two others were arrested Tuesday and charged with felonies for allegedly forging absentee ballots in the 2009 primary to benefit Democratic candidates. Election officials forged absentee ballots... the same crime would take place if there were a Voter ID law in place. A voter ID law is irrelevant to this case of Election Fraud.
Election fraud is very common, but Voter fraud is very rare. The GOP voter ID law has no impact on Election Fraud.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Just for Cicero I'll explain it one more time. The VOTER ID law would require a voter to show a specific photo ID before he/she could vote. When some one shows up at a polling place to vote in another persons name... voter fraud. Got it?
Now for the case that you mention which is NOT VOTER FRAUD, but instead ELECTION FRAUD. From the TU: The City Council president, a councilman and two others were arrested Tuesday and charged with felonies for allegedly forging absentee ballots in the 2009 primary to benefit Democratic candidates. Election officials forged absentee ballots... the same crime would take place if there were a Voter ID law in place. A voter ID law is irrelevant to this case of Election Fraud.
Election fraud is very common, but Voter fraud is very rare. The GOP voter ID law has no impact on Election Fraud.
Talk about changing facts to fit your agenda. This was voter fraud. Everybody but you recognize this as voter fraud. You like changing the definition.
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Yes, Virginia, There Really Is Voter Fraud By Hans A. von Spakovsky December 22, 2011 1:18 P.M. Comments36 The latest voter-fraud convictions in Troy, N.Y., must be very inconvenient to the public-affairs propagandists over at the DNC and the NAACP, as well as liberal media outlets like the New York Times. It just ruins their constant refrain that there is no voter fraud in the United States.
Eric Shawn at FOX News reports that two Troy city officials, the city clerk and a councilman, along with two Democratic political operatives, have pled guilty to forging absentee-ballot signatures and casting fraudulent ballots in the 2009 Working Families Party primary. The WFP is the political party associated with ACORN.
One of the citizens whose votes were stolen was stunned at what happened. She said that she was “sure this goes on a lot in politics, but it’s very rare that they do get caught.” This voter was right on the money with that observation — fraud is so easy to commit in our election system that it is rare that fraudsters get caught and even rarer that they get prosecuted.
As for the constant liberal claims that voter fraud does not occur, one of the Democratic operatives who pled guilty, Anthony DeFiglio, told New York State police investigators “that faking absentee ballots was a commonplace and accepted practice in political circles, all intended to swing an election.” And whose votes do they steal? DeFiglio was very plain about that: “The people who are targeted live in low-income housing, and there is a sense that they are a lot less likely to ask any questions.”
That is exactly what former Alabama congressman Artur Davis said recently when he admitted that he was wrong to oppose voter-ID requirements. Davis says the “most aggressive” voter suppression “is the wholesale manufacture of ballots, at the polls and absentee, in parts of the Black Belt” of Alabama, which is an area of very poor black communities. These are the very areas where the NAACP claims voter fraud does not happen. The NAACP opposes all reasonable measures to safeguard the voting process for its own constituents, even going to the extent of defending vote stealers, as the NAACP did in Greene County, Ala., in the mid-1990s. Small wonder one of its local officials was recently sentenced to five years in prison for voter fraud in Tunica County, Mississippi.
In the Troy case, the ease with which voter signatures were forged without detection shows that signature comparison by election officials does not work and poses no deterrent to this type of voter fraud. That is why Kansas combined a voter-ID requirement in its new election law with a change to its absentee-ballot procedures. If you want to vote in person in Kansas, you now have to show a photo ID, and if you request an absentee ballot, you have to provide either a copy of your photo ID or the driver’s license number from the ID. That helps confirm that the registered voter — not some political operative like Anthony DeFiglio — actually requested the absentee ballot.
Officials Plead Guilty in New York Voter Fraud Case By Eric Shawn Published December 21, 2011 | FoxNews.com
A total of four Democratic officials and political operatives have now pleaded guilty to voter fraud-related felony charges in an alleged scheme to steal a New York election.
The latest guilty pleas expose the ease with which political insiders can apparently manipulate the electoral system and throw an election their way, by the forging of signatures of unsuspecting voters that are then cast as real votes.
"The phrase they use is: 'making sure they vote the right way,'" said a source close to the case, which is unfolding in Troy, N.Y. "It is not a Democratic or Republican thing. ... It is criminal."
Former Troy Democratic City Clerk William McInerney, Democratic Councilman John Brown, and Democratic political operatives Anthony Renna and Anthony DeFiglio have entered guilty pleas in the case, in which numerous signatures were allegedly forged on absentee ballots in the 2009 Working Families Party primary, the political party that was associated with the now-defunct community group, ACORN.
The four have pleaded guilty to one count of various charges, ranging from forgery to falsifying business records, and criminal possession of a forged instrument.
"Getting at the truth has always been the primary goal of this investigation," Special Prosecutor Trey Smith said in a statement, while also thanking New York State Police efforts to "bring those responsible for the voting fraud to justice."
Numerous voters told Fox News that they were stunned that their signatures were faked on absentee ballot applications and ballots, which were cast as real votes in their names in the 2009 primary election.
Brian Suozzo's absentee ballot application claimed that he was "at home recovering from medical procedure," which he told us was not true.
"Someone took my signature and voted with it and I feel extremely violated," Suozzo said when Fox News first broke the story nationally in 2009. "The whole thing seems dirty to me."
Jessica Boomhower's absentee ballot application falsely claimed that she was in Boston.
"I can't believe they thought they would get away with this," she told Fox News. "I didn't get to cast my vote on my own. ... They're corrupt. I am sure this goes on a lot in politics, but it's very rare that they do get caught."
Two of the ballot applications claimed that the voters were unavailable, because they were supposedly on a "bus trip to casino." Smith, at one point during the two-year long investigation, even obtained court orders to take DNA samples from five of the seven Democratic members of the Troy City Council. The goal was to try and compare the samples to any DNA evidence found on the absentee ballot envelopes.
No Republicans were implicated in the alleged conspiracy, but one political operative claimed that such voter fraud occurs "on both sides of the aisle."
In November 2009, Democratic operative Anthony DeFiglio told New York State police investigators that faking absentee ballots was a commonplace and accepted practice in political circles, all intended to swing an election.
"This is an on-going scheme and it occurs on both sides of the aisle," he told police. "The people who are targeted live in low-income housing and there is a sense that they are a lot less likely to ask any questions."
He said that "it was common knowledge that these people were never going to receive an absentee ballot. This is a political strategy to get control of a third party line."
DeFiglio claimed that "the reason that this came to light in this election, was the sheer number of absentee ballots that went out to the Working Families Party. ... To political insiders in the county, what appears as a huge conspiracy to non-political persons is really a normal political tactic."
Troy City Council President Clem Campana pleaded not guilty on Tuesday to charges including falsifying business records and illegal voting.
When Fox News asked him about the case last year, Campana was adamant that he did nothing wrong. "No one tried to steal any election," he claimed. "I did nothing wrong, I don't know if anyone did, and if they did, they should be held accountable for it."
City Councilman Michael LoPorto and Democratic County Elections Commissioner Edward McDonough were indicted earlier this year and they face trial on the felony charges next month.
LoPorto also denied the allegations when Fox News questioned him last year.
"Did you do anything wrong?" Fox News asked. He answered, "No." "Did you try to steal an election?" "No." "Did you forge any ballots?" "No," said LoPorto. "They did steal an election," claimed Bob Mirch, the pugnacious former Republican Majority Leader of the Rensselaer County legislature, who first discovered the alleged fraud and started the investigation. For his efforts in trying to expose what happened, Mirch says he was voted out of office after serving 16 years and was replaced by a Democrat.
"This is just the tip of the iceberg," he said about voter fraud. "This case in Troy shows that the political insiders had this scheme down pat. Two years ago the public didn't believe me, but they know it now."
The case in Troy echoes a similar election fraud investigation that is now ongoing in Indiana.
St. Joseph County Prosecutor Michael Dvorak, in South Bend, is currently investigating allegations that numerous signatures on 2008 Democratic Presidential primary petitions for then candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, were faked. There are claims that so many signatures were fraudulent, that the Obama campaign may not have actually obtained enough legitimate signatures to have legally qualified for the ballot. And just like the New York voters in Troy who told Fox News that they never signed absentee ballots, voters in South Bend and Mishawaka told us that their signatures were forged too.
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