What happened to separation of church and state? The Taxpayers have to subsidize Cicero's Devil Worship School?
Not all private schools are religious So again why should he have to pay into the public system if he receives a better service from the private sector. As long as he receives no services from the public system there should be no problem.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Not all private schools are religious So again why should he have to pay into the public system if he receives a better service from the private sector. As long as he receives no services from the public system there should be no problem.
So if I wanted to open a Devil Worship School for my kids, you would support taxpayer dollars be used to subsidize my Religious Hating school? Do you support only giving tax dollars to good Christian schools?
If I have no kids, so as you put it "As long as he receives no services from the public system there should be no problem"... Why should I have to pay for other kids education?
Again, the Conservative One Way Street.
Education is a function of govt. A quality public education for all kids helps the entire country to thrive. When you take funds away from the system to subsidize private ventures, you weaken all kids education.
Pay for a private education if you want it, but don't ask the taxpayers to subsidize for your kid what they already paid for in public schools.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
In the text I've posted, PP rejects definition #1 and #2 as not being Abstinence. PP accepts definition #3, which is the same definition you and I have.
Got it???
These definitions of abstinence (outercourse...etc) are these medical terms? Who came up with these 'other' definitions.
Let me fill you in here Box, PP came up with these definitions. It's not AMA it was PP. PP decided to come up with other definitions and then print them.
According to the AMA:
900,000 teenage girls become pregnant each year
The U.S. has the highest teen pregnancy rate among industrialized countries
Also, the AMA has only ONE DEFINITION of abstinence and so should PP.
AMA does agree with teaching an abstinence and contraception (as do I)
Lastly, the ACLU had a campaign to stop teaching abstinence only sex-education because it gives false and misleading information...as does this literature PP handed out with 2 incorrect definitions of abstinence.
WOW! Cicero doesn't want anybody's money... HE JUST WANTS A SCHOOL TAX EXEMPTION.
Cic wants his school tax reduced., and he wants everyone else to pay it. He thinks that he is special just because he wants to send his kids to a private school.
Every dollar of school tax exemption Cic doesn't pay, is an increase for everyone else. Cic wants US to pay so his kids can go to a private school.
Box only wants the 1% to have the choice of getting a good education, you know, the ones that can afford to pay their school taxes AND private school. The rest of the 99% can go to failing schools like Schenectady with a 50% drop out rate and rated consistantly dangerous. Box only believes in choice on certain things like destroying fetus'. With education, you must pay the government school system even if it has proven to be a massive failure.
Every dollar in exemptions doesn't increase costs for everyone else, it just invests the money into another school. Just like me buying my milk from Stewarts instead of Cumberland Farms doesn't take my money out of the dairy industry. It doesn't reduce the resources going toward education, it redirects it through a school of my CHOICE. Box just likes collectivism, and believes everybody should be coerced by threats of government force to spend their money on failing schools so every child can fail equally.
Cicero, we must send our kids to the government school so that they can be properly indoctrinated or perish the thought, our kids may start thinking for themselves.
Box only wants the 1% to have the choice of getting a good education, you know, the ones that can afford to pay their school taxes AND private school. The rest of the 99% can go to failing schools like Schenectady with a 50% drop out rate and rated consistantly dangerous. Box only believes in choice on certain things like destroying fetus'. With education, you must pay the government school system even if it has proven to be a massive failure.
Every dollar in exemptions doesn't increase costs for everyone else, it just invests the money into another school. Just like me buying my milk from Stewarts instead of Cumberland Farms doesn't take my money out of the dairy industry. It doesn't reduce the resources going toward education, it redirects it through a school of my CHOICE. Box just likes collectivism, and believes everybody should be coerced to spend their money on failing schools so every child can fail equally.
Box thinks this... Box does that... Cicero can only succeed if he defines my position with his views.
Since most of this post is Cicero's version of what I think... I'll just ignore it.
Cic's post: "Every dollar in exemptions doesn't increase costs for everyone else, it just invests the money into another school." is of course ridiculous. Just one example: City X school system funds buses, teachers, janitors, administration etc. Cicero and 10 of his friends decide to start their own school and get tax dollars taken from City X schools... we'll say $10,000 is deducted from City X school budget when those 10 kids leave. City X loses more than the $10,000 due to state reimbursement per student, but we'll ignore that for the moment.
The same number of buses still run with out The Cicero gang. The same number of teachers, since the 10 Cicero kids were in various classes and on various buses. The heat bill at the school is the same, administration the same, etc etc etc... City X costs are the same but they now have to make up the #10,000 that was given to Cicero & gang. The only soulution is tax the citizens of City X to pay for Cicero's private school.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Cic's post: "Every dollar in exemptions doesn't increase costs for everyone else, it just invests the money into another school." is of course ridiculous. Just one example: City X school system funds buses, teachers, janitors, administration etc. Cicero and 10 of his friends decide to start their own school and get tax dollars taken from City X schools... we'll say $10,000 is deducted from City X school budget when those 10 kids leave. City X loses more than the $10,000 due to state reimbursement per student, but we'll ignore that for the moment.
The same number of buses still run with out The Cicero gang. The same number of teachers, since the 10 Cicero kids were in various classes and on various buses. The heat bill at the school is the same, administration the same, etc etc etc... City X costs are the same but they now have to make up the #10,000 that was given to Cicero & gang. The only soulution is tax the citizens of City X to pay for Cicero's private school.
That is more warped thinking...I'm paying for my "gang's" busing.
If the pubic school that lost the 10 kids to a private school, the private school just gained 10 kids that need transportation to school. The private school can then purchase the bus off of the pubic school that no longer needs the bus since they now have less students and no need for the bus. This new private school will need janitors and teachers also, if the public school now doesn't need as many janitors and teachers, those teachers and janitors can go work for the new private school. The private school now hires these teachers and janitors and takes them off the pubic school payroll. Then after the public school contraction is complete, the operating expense of the school should be less since there are less students and buses and less janitors, so now, the school property taxes should now be reduced to reflect the reduced school budget. You see how markets work?
That is more warped thinking...I'm paying for my "gang's" busing.
If the pubic school that lost the 10 kids to a private school, the private school just gained 10 kids that need transportation to school. The private school can then purchase the bus off of the pubic school that no longer needs the bus since they now have less students and no need for the bus.
Speaking of warped!!!
Cic. City X has 50 buses. 10 students leave. Unless all 10 students all ride the same bus... City x will still run the same number of buses. Their costs remain the same... their funds reduced by $10,000 to pay for Cicero's private school. Utilities cost the same... their funds reduced by $10,000 to pay for Cicero's private school. Teacher cost the same... their funds reduced by $10,000 to pay for Cicero's private school. Janitor cost the same... their funds reduced by $10,000 to pay for Cicero's private school. School maintenance cost the same... their funds reduced by $10,000 to pay for Cicero's private school.
The solution? Raise taxes to pay City X the $10,000 that went to Cicero's private school.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Education is a function of govt. A quality public education for all kids helps the entire country to thrive. When you take funds away from the system to subsidize private ventures, you weaken all kids education.
Pay for a private education if you want it, but don't ask the taxpayers to subsidize for your kid what they already paid for in public schools.
Government is not doing such a great job in NYS. The Governor informed us yesterday that NY is ranked 38 in the Country. My Schenectady City tax bill hasn't gone down and there stats are getting worse.
Maybe you should start taking jabs at the home schoolers. They pay taxes NOT to have their kids in school yet the district has to provide them with books and materials. Private school kids parents pay taxes to your public school, pay tuition for their kids and your mad at them?!? For what? They're STILL paying into your public system?????? It's not the other way around.
Fact is, when a kid leaves the public school for a private one, the school district gains money. They no longer have that student, yet they still have the taxpayers money in their pocket.
BTW, liked the Governor being the lobbyist for the students. Currently, in the public schools everyone has a lobbyist but the kids. Public school money is sucked into pensions, benefits, etc...not much for the students anymore. Private schools don't play those games...
Government is not doing such a great job in NYS. The Governor informed us yesterday that NY is ranked 38 in the Country. My Schenectady City tax bill hasn't gone down and there stats are getting worse. Maybe you should start taking jabs at the home schoolers. They pay taxes NOT to have their kids in school yet the district has to provide them with books and materials. Private school kids parents pay taxes to your public school, pay tuition for their kids and your mad at them?!? For what? They're STILL paying into your public system?????? It's not the other way around.
I pay into a city fire protection system that I have never used and will likely never use. My taxes pay for that service and I'm glad that I have it. Many pay into city schools though they have no children of their own. They still benefit from the school system that educates our children. I pay for municipal ambulances in my taxes. I've never used the service but I benefit by it's existence. Similarly... All citizens benefit by a public school system weather they personally use that system or not.
I could hire a private ambulance, private fire protection and private schools if I wanted to... but I wouldn't expect ' anyone else to pay for that private service, and I especially wouldn't want to deprive local fire, ambulance or schools because of my private choices.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Let's say Box, that your fire department came to a fire with no hoses.
How about an ambulance without EMTs..you just jump on in.
The school districts do just that. They are failing the students.
Money keeps going in..steadily...every year, but kids are not graduating, not learning....we have a problem.
Money is going for a purpose OTHER than educating the kids. We need to realize this because we're 38th in the US...that's really bad.
We, as parents, as adults, need to realize the HUGE diservice we are doing to our youth when we steal tax money and put it into pensions instead of books. Or when we bring in an outside group for sex education and they lie about basic definitions (abstinence for example).
Let's stop playing games and start doing right by our kids.
Let's say Box, that your fire department came to a fire with no hoses.
How about an ambulance without EMTs..you just jump on in.
The school districts do just that. They are failing the students.
Money keeps going in..steadily...every year, but kids are not graduating, not learning....we have a problem.
Money is going for a purpose OTHER than educating the kids. We need to realize this because we're 38th in the US...that's really bad.
We, as parents, as adults, need to realize the HUGE diservice we are doing to our youth when we steal tax money and put it into pensions instead of books. Or when we bring in an outside group for sex education and they lie about basic definitions (abstinence for example).
Let's stop playing games and start doing right by our kids.
Bottom line is that Shen listened to the parent's/taxpayer's concerns........plain and simple. Good for them!!!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Cic. City X has 50 buses. 10 students leave. Unless all 10 students all ride the same bus... City x will still run the same number of buses. Their costs remain the same... their funds reduced by $10,000 to pay for Cicero's private school. Utilities cost the same... their funds reduced by $10,000 to pay for Cicero's private school. Teacher cost the same... their funds reduced by $10,000 to pay for Cicero's private school. Janitor cost the same... their funds reduced by $10,000 to pay for Cicero's private school. School maintenance cost the same... their funds reduced by $10,000 to pay for Cicero's private school.
The solution? Raise taxes to pay City X the $10,000 that went to Cicero's private school.
The largest part of the budget isn't a fixed cost - LABOR! Teacher salaries and benefits NOT FIX, Administrator salaries and benefits - NOT FIXED, Janitor and bus driver salaries and benefits - NOT FIXED.
Your socialist government default position for lost revenue is ALWAYS RAISE TAXES. Cutting spending to adjust for loss of revenue doesn't even enter that brain of yours.
Where do the funds for private school come from? Oh, that's right the 1%...They can afford to have choice, Me and the rest of the 99% can only afford to send our kids to Schenectady High or move to another public school district and hope that collection of tenured teacher really give a sh*t about teaching.
So again why should he have to pay into the public system if he receives a better service from the private sector. As long as he receives no services from the public system there should be no problem.
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