Quoted from Shadow

The part you're missing is that the parents must have a say on how their children are taught not forced to learn what the state has mandated.

Shadow,
See #1 & #2 Below:

1.~ "Parents are the primary educators of Sex Ed for their children."
2.~ "No child at Shen is required (forced) to attend Sex Ed Classes... any parent can opt out of the course."
3.~ "The course has been successfully taught at Shen for over 20 years"

How come this year there is a problem, did PP change it's agenda?

Quoted from Shadow

The part you're missing is that the parents must have a say on how their children are taught not forced to learn what the state has mandated.

The part that YOU are missing is that parents have no say in the curriculum of any other subject taught in schools so, why should they have input in this class?

Do you have a say in how math is taught to your kids? How about history? Biology? Music? Get real! Class curriculums are not a popularity contest. You can always discuss what was taught to your kids and explain your personal viewpoint. If that isn't good enough for some parents then maybe they should look for a 3rd world country to live in.

Quoted from Shadow

How come this year there is a problem, did PP change it's agenda?

There was no problem this year. This church group just wanted to get Planned Parenthood out of the school. This is totally polical!

Quoted from Shadow

How come this year there is a problem, did PP change it's agenda?

No shadow... it's the same PP program they've been teaching for 20 years at Shen.  The problem is a few
bigots who want to shut down PP over the abortion issue.  This has very little to do with Sex Ed, and much
to do with a Right Wing Radical agenda.

No wonder so many people are starting to home school their kids so that they can give them a good education. Box, you right wing conspiracy are you a Clinton.

Quoted from Adirondack Bob

There was no problem this year. This church group just wanted to get Planned Parenthood out of the school. This is totally polical!

Is this a fact or your personal opinion?
I know teachers, students, parents who say just the opposite.

Quoted from Adirondack Bob

The fact is there are a lot of kids who want more sex ed info because it is their parents who insist on NOT discussing all aspects of their childrens sexuality. Sad indeed.

Forgive me, I will have to dissect this piece by piece on separate posts.  But the first question is: How do you know this?  How did you come to this conclusion?  There is no logic in this.  And as I go through your post, there is very little logic in any of it.  You could have shortened your post to say you believe that the collective will of the state trumps parental rights.  The “professionals” know best.  You believe in imposing what you believe is best for "our children"(scary), and parent who do not conform to the states views on human sexual behavior are bigots and a danger to their own children.  And any parent that stands up to the state sex ed curriculum is a Catholic nut with an agenda against PP, and just part of the lunatic fringe.  

The public school district will make you pay...But when it comes to the curriculum, you have no say...

Quoted from Adirondack Bob

Schools teach about the law. Doesn't that impact students' "personal behavior"? They teach about wars and politics. More "personal behavior" impact. Our schools insist student athletes sign a Code of Conduct in order to enjoy the priveledge of playing on a school team. I'm pretty certain that would influence student athletes' "personal behavior". Our schools help influence personal behavior by just about everything they do. To pretend they don't is kinda disingenous, ya think?

This is a very weak argument.  First, explain how teaching about politics and war influence personal behavior?  Code of Conduct - I'll give ya a maybe, but that's not a very strong argument. If the student athlete’s code of conduct included personal sexual behaviors, I'd disagree with that...But curfews and grade minimums is a little different from determining what acceptable and unacceptable sexual behavior is.

Quoted from bumblethru

Is this a fact or your personal opinion?
I know teachers, students, parents who say just the opposite.

Fact!

So, what are they saying? Who is saying it? As far as I'm aware, no Shen instructor who was in the classroom with the PP instructors, have complained about anything PP did. The complaints came from this church group only based on how their kids' described what was said in their class. For instance, their kids complained they were "embarrassed" at the discussions containing "sex words". I ask you, and Dr. R, since these parents insist that the teaching of sex ed should be only their responsibility - why are their kids so squeemish about hearing these words? We're talking about high school age kids. I submit to you that those parents haven't been discussing these issues with their kids, that they don't want those issues discussed with their kids. I can tell you that my kids have told me that some of their classmates want more info given to them because their parents won't discuss it. Some of them are the children of those very same church extremists. THAT is why this class is mandatory.

The School Board finally allowed concerned parents, students and citizens to be squeezed into a school board meeting to voice their objections over the superintendent basically firing PP solely based on this church group's complaints. So far, Dr. Robinson has not told us exactly what all those complaints were. But, based 100% on those religious extremists' spins, distortions and lies about what PP instructors said in classrooms he fired PP. He didn't attempt to talk with other parents, other students or even Planned Parenthood!!! Those zealots had their kids email the BOE with their very same complaints. With this one sided input, he made a rash, biased, political decision to shut those people up.

Many parents and Shen grads spoke quite eloquently about how important they think PP is to the sex ed classes and how they helped them. To say that the curriculum will continue is to dance around the real important issue here. Dr. Robinson took this rash action without any transparency or effort to get the whole picture.

Only NOW, after other parents and students voiced their displeasure at his action, is he willing to reevaluate PP's role. Shouldn't that evaluation have been done BEFORE any action was taken?  

These people only want an abstinence only sex ed class to be taught. And they have the nerve to say that the current sex ed class is "dangerous to the students"! THAT is why school curriculums are not a popularity vote. And thank God for it. Otherwise, the superintendent just might have tried to install an doomed-to-fail abstinence only curriculum.

Quoted from CICERO

The public school district will make you pay...But when it comes to the curriculum, you have no say...

By the way..
The PP Sex Ed classes are free from Planned Parenthood.

Quoted from CICERO

Forgive me, I will have to dissect this piece by piece on separate posts.  But the first question is: How do you know this?  How did you come to this conclusion?  There is no logic in this.  And as I go through your post, there is very little logic in any of it.  You could have shortened your post to say you believe that the collective will of the state trumps parental rights.  The “professionals” know best.  You believe in imposing what you believe is best for "our children"(scary), and parent who do not conform to the states views on human sexual behavior are bigots and a danger to their own children.  And any parent that stands up to the state sex ed curriculum is a Catholic nut with an agenda against PP, and just part of the lunatic fringe.  

The public school district will make you pay...But when it comes to the curriculum, you have no say...

I'm sorry. Should I submit my posts to you for review first to make sure they only contain what you want them to?  

Quoted from CICERO

This is a very weak argument.  First, explain how teaching about politics and war influence personal behavior?  Code of Conduct - I'll give ya a maybe, but that's not a very strong argument. If the student athlete’s code of conduct included personal sexual behaviors, I'd disagree with that...But curfews and grade minimums is a little different from determining what acceptable and unacceptable sexual behavior is.

I think I see why you can't understand oppossing views now. If I have to explain how these classes would impact student behavior I'm afraid you wouldn't understand it. Maybe further posts will help you.

Quoted from CICERO

This is a very weak argument.  First, explain how teaching about politics and war influence personal behavior?  Code of Conduct - I'll give ya a maybe, but that's not a very strong argument. If the student athlete’s code of conduct included personal sexual behaviors, I'd disagree with that...But curfews and grade minimums is a little different from determining what acceptable and unacceptable sexual behavior is.

I think I see why you can't understand oppossing views now. If I have to explain how these classes would impact student behavior I'm afraid you wouldn't understand it. Maybe further posts will help you.

Quoted from Adirondack Bob

Fact!

So, what are they saying? Who is saying it? As far as I'm aware, no Shen instructor who was in the classroom with the PP instructors, have complained about anything PP did. The complaints came from this church group only based on how their kids' described what was said in their class. For instance, their kids complained they were "embarrassed" at the discussions containing "sex words". I ask you, and Dr. R, since these parents insist that the teaching of sex ed should be only their responsibility - why are their kids so squeemish about hearing these words? We're talking about high school age kids. I submit to you that those parents haven't been discussing these issues with their kids, that they don't want those issues discussed with their kids. I can tell you that my kids have told me that some of their classmates want more info given to them because their parents won't discuss it. Some of them are the children of those very same church extremists. THAT is why this class is mandatory.
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You're an educator?  It amazes me how we are always taught by the educator to be "tolerant" toward people in the minority or people with different sets of values.  But in the case of person’s religious (Christian) teachings, you apparently feel that the feelings of embarrassment the students were feeling must be disregarded for what you believe is the greater good of society.  You even took a shot at the parents for not using words used by PP.

I would be interested to see how you would react if this were a group of Muslim parents voicing their opinions about PP.

AB and Box, reaffirm my understanding about the public education system and that there are those in their ranks that feel so strongly about forcing their agenda with total disregard for all those that may oppose.  The statist is always in a fight to control the collective conscience of the community.  For it is their job to create conformity.