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Given the (il)logical statements of those who support allowing anyone to vote without proof of identity (US citizenship), I assume that
you also support allowing individuals to drive motor vehicles without being required to provide their license when pulled over by law enforcement.
Both documents are evidence of eligibility.


As I posted above, there is very little actual VOTER FRAUD committed by VOTERS.  There has always been some
form of ID required to vote... but not a Pic ID.  Most people have a drivers license, but many don't drive or lost
their license.  

Since VOTER FRAUD is an almost non existent crime, why solve a problem that doesn't exist.
Election  Fraud IS a REAL problem and happens often in US elections.  That would seem to be the place to put
the focus.


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Quoted from William Pen
Given the (il)logical statements of those who support allowing anyone to vote without proof of identity (US citizenship), I assume that
you also support allowing individuals to drive motor vehicles without being required to provide their license when pulled over by law enforcement.
Both documents are evidence of eligibility.


I'm not questioning the ID...I'm looking at the rest of the picture of the 'tracking'........

what do you support...? Show me your papers?????

this is a very very rickety line.......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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    In Tunica, Mississippi, ten guilty verdicts of voter fraud were returned yesterday against NAACP officer Lessadolla Sowers.  She was sentenced to five years for each count without the possibility of parole and will serve the terms concurrently.  Sowers manipulated the absentee ballot process in the 2007 election.  Absentee ballots in Mississippi are notoriously subject to voter fraud.
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    In Tunica, Mississippi, ten guilty verdicts of voter fraud were returned yesterday against NAACP officer Lessadolla Sowers.  She was sentenced to five years for each count without the possibility of parole and will serve the terms concurrently.  Sowers manipulated the absentee ballot process in the 2007 election.  Absentee ballots in Mississippi are notoriously subject to voter fraud.


because some folk live in the 'swamp neighborhoods'....???

hood.....swamp????

is there a difference?


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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    In Tunica, Mississippi, ten guilty verdicts of voter fraud were returned yesterday against NAACP officer Lessadolla Sowers.  She was sentenced to five years for each count without the possibility of parole and will serve the terms concurrently.  Sowers manipulated the absentee ballot process in the 2007 election.  Absentee ballots in Mississippi are notoriously subject to voter fraud.


OK... I'll post it one more time. A Voter ID law would not have prevented an election official from
manipulating absentee ballots.
A fool proof VOTER ID law would have made no difference in this crime.  This was a case of Election Fraud, not Voter
Fraud.... See the difference?


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The American Civil Liberties Union recently sued the state of Wisconsin, arguing that their photo ID law was a de facto
poll tax.

In just one example, 84-year-old Ruthelle Frank would have had to pay over $200 to get the documents necessary
to get a "free" photo ID. Frank was born at home and was never issued a birth certificate, which costs $20. To make
matters worse, her name is misspelled on official records and she would also have to pay around $200 to have that
corrected.


A recent report by the Brennan Center for Justice, titled “Voting Law Changes in 2012,” determined that new voting
restrictions, largely championed by Republican lawmakers, could suppress the the votes of more than five million young,
minority, low-income, and disabled voters, all groups that tend to vote for Democrats.


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Supreme Court Upholds Voter Identification Law in Indiana

By DAVID STOUT
Published: April 29, 2008

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court upheld Indiana’s voter-identification law on Monday, declaring that a requirement to produce photo identification is not unconstitutional and that the state has a “valid interest” in improving election procedures as well as deterring fraud.
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In a 6-to-3 ruling in one of the most awaited election-law cases in years, the court rejected arguments that Indiana’s law imposes unjustified burdens on people who are old, poor or members of minority groups and less likely to have driver’s licenses or other acceptable forms of identification. Because Indiana’s law is considered the strictest in the country, similar laws in the other 20 or so states that have photo-identification rules would appear to have a good chance of surviving scrutiny.

The ruling, coming just eight days before the Indiana primary and at the height of a presidential election campaign, upheld rulings by a Federal District Court and the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit, which had thrown out challenges to the 2005 law.

Justice John Paul Stevens, who announced the judgment of the court and wrote an opinion in which Chief John G. Roberts Jr. and Anthony M. Kennedy joined, alluded to — and brushed aside — complaints that the law benefits Republicans and works against Democrats, whose ranks are more likely to include poor people or those in minority groups.

The justifications for the law “should not be disregarded simply because partisan interests may have provided one motivation for the votes of individual legislators,” Justice Stevens wrote.

Justice Stevens and the two court members who joined him found that the Democrats and civil rights groups who attacked the law, seeking a declaration that it was unconstitutional on its face, had failed to meet the heavy burden required for such a “facial challenge” to prevail.

Perhaps, they suggested, the outcome could be different in another voter-rights case, one in which a plaintiff could show that his or her rights had been violated. That was the approach suggested by the Bush administration, whose solicitor general, Paul D. Clement, urged the court to wait for a lawsuit brought by someone was actually barred by the statute from casting a ballot.

Justices Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Samuel A. Alito Jr. concurred in the judgment of the court, but went further in rejecting the plaintiffs’ challenge. In an opinion by Justice Scalia, the three justices said, “The law should be upheld because its overall burden is minimal and justified.”

Indiana’s law allows voters who lack photo identification to cast a provisional ballot, then appear at their county courthouse within 10 days to show identification. Chief Justice Roberts, who grew up in Indiana, said during the argument of the case in January that such requirements are not onerous. The law also makes provisions for people in nursing homes.

Justices David H. Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer dissented. Justice Souter, in an opinion joined by Justice Ginsburg, said the Indiana law, which calls for a government-issued photo identification, like a driver’s license or passport, “threatens to impose nontrivial burdens on the voting rights of tens of thousands of the state’s citizens.”

Some Democrats have complained that those who succeeded in passing the law and fought on its behalf were citing problems that did not exist, because prosecutions for impersonating a registered voter are exceedingly rare, or non-existent. The real motivation of those behind the law was to hamper Democrats, those foes of the law have argued.

“This decision is a body blow to what America stands for — equal access to the polls,” said Senator Charles E. Schumer of New York, who leads the Democrats’ Senate election efforts. Other Democrats offered similar expressions of dismay. Ken Falk, legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Indiana, which brought the case, told The Associated Press that he was “extremely disappointed.”

But Brian C. Bosma, who was speaker of the Indiana House when the law was enacted and is now the House’s Republican leader, dismissed the Democrats’ complaints. “This is only a burden for those who want to vote more than once,” Mr. Bosma said in a telephone interview from Indianapolis. “It protects everyone.”

When the case was argued before the Supreme Court in January, there was considerable back-and-forth over how much of a burden the Indiana law could be in an age when an overwhelming majority of people old enough to vote also possess a driver’s license or other form of photo identification.

There was also discussion over how much voter fraud really exists, with some suggestions that the reason it has apparently never been prosecuted in Indiana is because those who commit fraud are good at it.

But, as Justice Stevens noted, there have been flagrant examples of voter fraud in American history. He cited the 1868 New York City elections, in which a local tough who worked for Tammany’s William (Boss) Tweed explained why he liked voters to have whiskers: “When you’ve voted ’em with their whiskers on, you take ’em to a barber and scrape off the chin fringe. Then you vote ’em again with the side lilacs and a mustache. Then to a barber again, off comes the sides and you vote ’em a third time with the mustache. If that ain’t enough and the box can stand a few more ballots, clean off the mustache and vote ’em plain face.”

In 2004, Justice Stevens noted in a footnote, the hotly contested gubernatorial election in Washington State produced an investigation that turned up 19 “ghost voters” and at least one confirmed instance of voter fraud. And while Justice Stevens did not mention the elections in the career of Lyndon B. Johnson, biographers of the late president have suggested that he won at least one election in Texas in the 1940’s through ballot box-stuffing — and lost at least one the same way.

On the other hand, there is no dispute that some voting laws enacted decades ago, especially in the South, were not intended to prevent fraud but rather to keep blacks from voting.

Indiana usually goes Republican in presidential elections. Republicans control the State Senate, while Democrats hold a narrow advantage in the State House. The governor, Mitch Daniels, is a Republican. When the 2005 law was passed, Republicans controlled both houses and were unanimously behind the law — while Democrats were unanimously opposed.

Lawyers who challenged the case cited the experience of one would-be Indiana voter, Valerie Williams, who was turned away from the polling place in November 2006 by officials who told her that a telephone bill, a Social Security letter with her address and an expired driver’s license were no longer sufficient.

“Of course, I threw a fit,” she said in a January interview with The New York Times, recalling how she cast a provisional ballot which was never counted. Ms. Williams, in her early 60’s, is black — and is a Republican.
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“Of course, I threw a fit,” she said in a January interview with The New York Times, recalling how she cast a provisional ballot which was ne ver counted. Ms. Williams, in her early 60’s, is black — and is a Republican.

What kind of yellow journalism is this?  Everybody knows there is no such thing as a black republican.


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What kind of yellow journalism is this?  Everybody knows there is no such thing as a black republican.


Pretty much...
(2009)



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Everybody has their proper place right box?  Life's much simpler that way isn't it?


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OK, so 2% of Republicans are black.  That's nobody, right?  

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_registered_republican_voters_are_there_in_America

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How many registered republican voters are there in America?

There are roughly 55 million registered Republicans. There are roughly 72 million Democrats. And there are roughly 42 million registered independents.


So, with that, if ONLY 2% of registered Republicans are black, that means there's ONLY 1,100,000 registered Black Republicans.  Not exactly a supermajority, but also not exactly nobody, especially when there are only about 170 million registered in the last election, of which only about 122 million voted.  Out of the voters, they ARE the 1%ers.


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Hypocrites.
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Hypocrites.


Nah, it just is determined by what is needed to win.


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I was in a Union for years... voted in every election... never had to show an ID of any kind.  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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