Your right, reading comprehension. I said they were in Libya. We bombed Libya...A nation that was not a U.S. security threat....Who would be considered guilty? In my opinion, everybody we killed were innocent since nobody threatened us.
YUP, That's your opinion.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Just keep it simple. at what point is is right to kill?
Powerfulll people do not kill, forcefull people kill. wars are planned and directed history.
war is an outgrowth of our own selfish nature. why do we war, we war because we do not get what we want. We war because we are infected with a war virus. we war because we want body to be like us.
We didnt come this far to get this far. random 12 year old
A slave is someone that waits for someone else to free him. Ezra Pound
Someone needs to tell the families of the 300 dead soldiers that died in Iraq between 2009 and 2011 that they were not combat troops. I'm sure that will make things better. And maybe Obama can explain to the 1200+ dead soldiers in Afghanistan what the end objective is.
REMEMBER - OBAMA SAID WITHDRAW TROOP NOT END COMBAT OPERATION. BUT MORONS THAT ARE EASILY CONFUSED BY THE RHETORIC OF THIER MESSIAH CANNOT HELP BUT TO REGURGITATE THE REVISIONIST HISTORY.
Ha Cicero, you know how these simple solutions go over. Just march out , just come home. Where are the graphs ,projections and extrapolations???? Where are the outcome predictions andwhere oh where are the profits gonna come from. What does cris mathews say ?? what about scoops and predictions from his panel of top reporters Have you checked the mathews meter? well see what meat the press has to say... hehehehe conflict resolution is not what sells ,conflict sells.
We didnt come this far to get this far. random 12 year old
A slave is someone that waits for someone else to free him. Ezra Pound
I've seen this posted several times before... "There is a VOLUNTEER ARMY... so who gives a damn if they get killed, they asked for it when they signed up".
IMO a totally distorted view of the function of the US Military. ~ It is the responsibility for the US Military to fulfill the mission of the Commander in Chief, as a representative of the US Population, to protect America from foreign enemies. And... ~ It is the responsibility of the American people to insure that the mission of the US Military is a valid cause, worthy of their sacrifice.
Because an American Patriot volunteers to serve his country, doesn't mean that his life is expendable. Volunteer or Drafted, it is OUR DUTY to protect the lives of our military, just as it is the mission of the US Military to protect ours.
I'm not disagreeing with you.....but, as we volunteer we get used....they are the boss because WE LET IT.....
ie: taxes-we let it ie: military-we let it ie: credit-we let it ie: 'social security'-we let it etc etc.....
I have no illusion as to the 'good intentions' of our illustrious leaders.....but, the building up of government systems under the guise of 'helping the poor plebs', again removes that precious grey matter realestate we call our mind/will/soul etc......
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
I've seen this posted several times before... "There is a VOLUNTEER ARMY... so who gives a damn if they get killed, they asked for it when they signed up".
IMO a totally distorted view of the function of the US Military. ~ It is the responsibility for the US Military to fulfill the mission of the Commander in Chief, as a representative of the US Population, to protect America from foreign enemies. And... ~ It is the responsibility of the American people to insure that the mission of the US Military is a valid cause, worthy of their sacrifice.
Because an American Patriot volunteers to serve his country, doesn't mean that his life is expendable. Volunteer or Drafted, it is OUR DUTY to protect the lives of our military, just as it is the mission of the US Military to protect ours.
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A Thanksgiving Promise
by Karen Kwiatkowski
Recently by Karen Kwiatkowski: What Does the GOP Really Want in 2012?
Exciting times are just beyond the bend for this country. As we gaze into the future, the lapping of the water at our feet is more agitated than usual, the waves subtly more insistent. Occasionally we hear an unfamiliar sound, a microcrash of waves or a strange cry from an unknown bird. We see unseasonable migrations and we sense that the ground beneath our feet is moving, catlike.
Most have not yet noticed the profound urgency of what is upon us, but there exists a sharpness in the air, beyond the new normal of a November morning.
It is difficult to comprehend the massive pent-up force potential of a hundred years of war and state-ordered theft, a hundred years of global nationalism, a hundred years of the voracious passion of the state for the bones and marrow of free-thinking people. Barriers to the state’s inevitable metastasis have begun to fall away, and what was once hidden from view is now partially revealed. The zombification of the United States is upon us. Our generations will witness and experience the transmogrification of something we thought we knew and trusted into a walking-dead centralized horror intent on our personal destruction.
But it’s not all bad.
Humble gratitude and community appreciation prevail in many parts of the country. The nationalization of a "day" for gratitude and community solidarity must of course be suspect. We are told that Thanksgiving traces back to the Pilgrims, but its dedication by the state in midst of a bloody confederation crisis in 1863 was neither humble nor community oriented. It was the "great Union Festival of America."
In that spirit, all week we will hear posers in houses of worship share their gratefulness for soldiers that the American president and his unelected advisors have, for decades, sent around the world to kill, defraud, and steal. Politicians, state historians, and even otherwise honest people will tell us that we are the freest nation on the planet and that we should thank our past and present political classes for this freedom. Some will vaguely recall the official spirit of the first Europeans to North America, and many more will eat, drink and watch football. In carb and tryptophan-induced comas, we will fall asleep and dream.
Here are a few things I will do this week.
I will remember that my liberty exists not because I deserve it, nor because someone else fought for it. My liberty – and that of my children, my grandchildren, and my neighbors – is a birthright from the Creator.
I will recall that my Christian faith consistently teaches that Jesus, even at an early age, stood wholly without fear in front of kings, princes, high priests, wealthy men, and powerful bureaucrats.
I will marvel that despite every state centralized effort to dumb us down, to make us feel less and fear more, to destroy our intellectual, moral, and economic independence – for all of that, the fundamental sense of justice in this country has not yet been murdered by the state. No American truly believes that the government has the right to hunt down and destroy their child or brother on an executive command and a rumor. No person in this country celebrates a social welfare state that consciously and enthusiastically increases poverty and dependence. No person in this country believes that the freest nation in the world would also be the one that incarcerates 1 of every 100 of its citizens.
I will be happy that through family conversations about the so-called "1%," the D.C banksters, the ratchet effect of our warfare/welfare state, the legal evil of congressional insider trading, federal school loan serfdom and a hundred other things – Americans of all ages are beginning to understand that libertarian class analysis is the only way to truly understand American history. Sheldon Richman explains:
The government’s coercive taxing power necessarily creates two classes: those who create and those who consume the wealth expropriated and transferred by that power. Those who create the wealth naturally want to keep it and devote it to their own purposes. Those who wish to expropriate it look for ever more-clever ways to acquire it without inciting resistance. One of those ways is the spreading of an elaborate ideology of statism, which teaches that the people are the state and that therefore they are only paying themselves when they pay taxes.
I will be grateful that statism is becoming a dirty word.
I will be humbled and inspired by the wisdom, ingenuity and common sense of my neighbors, both those over the fence, and over the internet. I’ve learned more philosophy, more history, mastered more skills and spoken substantively with more people in the past decade than in all four of my previous ones. This exponential change in the ownership and access to knowledge and truth is the fundamental strength of our coming revolution. We are winning already, and we haven’t even begun to fight.
In terms of politics, I will continue to be profoundly amazed and grateful for the living example of Ron Paul – an honest and humble man of faith and courage who inspires a hundred million Americans. I will be grateful that his words are being borrowed and repeated by every pretender to the Washington Throne.
Thanksgiving – simple, heartfelt gratitude – creates its own bounty, liberates and nourishes individuals, families, and communities, and blesses everyone. As we work towards real liberty in America, and as we wage our long battle to restore the republic, the mindset of thanksgiving powerfully demarcates us from our enemy. That enemy, the ravenous and soulless state, thankful for nothing and coveting everything, is less powerful than we suspect. The real nature of power is an open secret. And if you learned any of this, in part, or in full, because of Lew Rockwell and the Mises Institute, like me, you’ve got one more item to add to your Thanksgiving list.
November 22, 2011
LRC columnist Karen Kwiatkowski, Ph.D. [send her mail], a retired USAF lieutenant colonel, blogs occasionally at Liberty and Power and The Beacon. To receive automatic announcements of new articles, click here or join her Facebook page. She is currently running for Congress in Virginia's 6th district.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Then why the big hoopla for DEC 16? This is a non event then if aug 18 2010 was the withdrawal date. Is this called having your cake and eating it too? Or bullshit?
The Iraq war has been on cruise control since BO has been in office. This isn't the first example of Obama continuing Bush policy...Remember the "Bush tax cut", is now the "Obama tax cuts".
US Ambassador Ryan Crocker (left) and Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshiyar Zebari sign the SOFA on Nov. 17, 2008 in Baghdad
"The Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) provides the legal basis for US-led troops to operate in Iraq after a wartime United Nations Security Council mandate expires at the end of December. The bilateral agreement essentially transforms the US from acting as an occupier - with sweeping powers to launch military operations, detain Iraqis, and bring equipment in the country at will - to having a more normal relationship with Iraq.
Under SOFA, American forces are to pull back to bases outside Iraq's cities by the end of June 2009 and withdraw entirely from Iraq within three years.
The security pact was the first such agreement since the invasion to outline specific terms for US involvement in Iraq. It was also the first in the region to be publicly debated and approved. Iraqi leaders backed the agreement after reassurances from President-elect Obama that his administration would not try to change the accord negotiated by the Bush administration..."
The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.
I wonder if Cicero will now confirm THAT COMBAT FORCES WERE WITHDRAWN IN 16MONTHS? So far Cic has had a real problem understanding that issue.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I wonder if Cicero will now confirm THAT COMBAT FORCES WERE WITHDRAWN IN 16MONTHS? So far Cic has had a real problem understanding that issue.
No, it's pretty clear to me. There were 300 U.S. casualties in Iraq from January 2009 up and throught 2011. U.S. offensive combat missions may have stopped after 16 months. But that is a far cry from troop withdrawal. Driving around Iraq and patrolling the streets with the threats of IED attacks is still considered combat in my book, maybe not yours.
I know you have a hard time swallowing the fact that you support Barack W. Bush. Obama had NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS WITHDRAWAL. This thread is misleading, Obama is just making good on a George W. Bush agreement that was signed in 2008. But for campaigning purposes, Obama is going to try to milk this for all it's worth, and frame it as his accomplishment.
For the most part, Americans will believe the misleading propaganda, but for the rest that pay attention know otherwise...That includes you Box.
It's fun to watch Obama in 2007 give the American people the solution to the seemingly unsolvable Bush Problem of troop with drawl from Iraq.
The Obama plan of 2007 was the Bush plan at the end of 2008.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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