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They didn't want those islands anyway...


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new.....alkland-Islands.html




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Is there any place on this earth that is not in some type or form of war or turmoil???


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Is there any place on this earth that is not in some type or form of war or turmoil???


No, and there never has been....ever.

Problem is that this was totally preventable and serves as an example on why you shouldn't gut your military.







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Bomb'em!!!  America's answer to all foreign affairs.  


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Bomb'em!!!  America's answer to all foreign affairs.  


We would have no reason to bomb them. It's not our territory and I'm pretty sure this doesn't fall under the NATO charter either, should the Argentines decide to attack.

And that's another thing.... Argentina will make a formal declaration of war, something you don't see anymore.






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We would have no reason to bomb them.


I'm sure we could claim some sort of economic terrorism.  Let's pass a UN resolution, that's good enough.  They are 'terrorizing' fishing boats.  Send in the submarines and sink their boats.  TIC


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I'm sure we could claim some sort of economic terrorism.  Let's pass a UN resolution, that's good enough.  They are 'terrorizing' fishing boats.  Send in the submarines and sink their boats.  TIC


The only thing of worth that comes from the Falklands is commercial fishing and wool.





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The United Kingdom did NOT get rid of its Navy --- the British Navy is alive and well.

Size     37,300 regulars
2,900 Royal Navy reserve
19,600 regular reserve
98 ships including RFA
177 aircraft
1 Aircraft carrier
1 Amphibious assault carrier
2 Amphibious transport docks
6 Destroyers
13 Frigates
11 Submarines
15 Minesweepers


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The United Kingdom did NOT get rid of its Navy --- the British Navy is alive and well.

Size     37,300 regulars
2,900 Royal Navy reserve
19,600 regular reserve
98 ships including RFA
177 aircraft
1 Aircraft carrier
1 Amphibious assault carrier
2 Amphibious transport docks
6 Destroyers
13 Frigates
11 Submarines
15 Minesweepers


Wow...That's some navy there. I think I used to field a larger force in my bathtub...Oh and you do know that they share that lone aircraft carrier with France and would have to get permission from them to field it.

But hey, if you think that constitues a fighting force, this guy disagrees with you...Oh and please pay attention to the bolded parts

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new.....alkland-Islands.html

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Britain can do 'nothing' to prevent Argentina retaking Falkland Islands

The head of the Naval task force in the Falklands War has warned that defence cuts mean Britain can now do "precisely nothing" to prevent Argentina retaking the islands.


Admiral Sir John "Sandy" Woodward also said that America now had little interest in supporting Britain in any conflict as a stable Argentina was more important to the State Department.

In a letter to The Daily Telegraph, Adml Woodward said Washington was pushing for negotiations over sovereignty and "significantly the islands are already being called the Malvinas by the US".

With the end of the Cold War and emergence of Asian powers Nato and Britain were not as important to Washington which in 1982 played a significant part in providing satellite intelligence and missiles to British forces.

"We can no longer rely on the Pentagon to support us in helping the islanders in their wish to remain essentially British sovereign territory," he wrote.

If as is likely significant oil reserves are found around the islands then pressure from Argentina will be immense to share in the riches.

The US would support an Argentine "accommodation" as its national interest supports stability in the area. "This tells us all too clearly which way the wind is blowing." The Organization of American States, a talking shop for north and south American countries, last week adopted a declaration calling for negotiations between Britain and Argentina over the "sovereignty" of the Falkland Islands.

President Barack Obama's administration also made clear in early 2010 that it would endorse calls for talks over the islands when it adopted the Organisation of American States useage of Malvinas instead of Falklands.

Adml Woodward said with the Armed Forces already "over-committed" in Afghanistan and Libya and the Navy drastically weakened following last year's defence review "the answer appears to be that we can do precisely nothing other than accede to US pressure".

The 79-year-old admiral led a substantial task force of two aircraft carriers, a dozen frigates and destroyers, four submarines and a total of 100 surface ships along with 25,000 servicemen were to retake the Falklands in 1982.

But the Royal Navy no longer has aircraft carriers, has lost its force of Harrier jump jets and seen its warship fleet cut in half over the last decade.

The islands are currently protected by a force of more than 1,000 troops with a reinforced company of infantry and four Typhoon fighters and a single frigate. However the Typhoons have no anti-ship or anti-submarine capability.

In a letter obtained by The Daily Telegraph last year Liam Fox, the Defence Secretary, warned the Prime Minister that the island's defences would become fragile in light of the looming cuts in the Strategic Defence and Security Review (SDSR).

He said axing the Nimrod MRA4 maritime reconnaissance aircraft would "limit our ability to deploy maritime forces rapidly into high-threat areas, and delete one element of our Falklands reinforcement plan".

The last of the £3.6 billion Nimrods was destroyed in March following the defence review.


A Ministry of Defence spokesman said: "Claims that the Falkland Islands could be taken without a fight are completely without substance. The current garrison in the Falkland Islands is much larger in scale and has a greater capability than in 1982 and this together with our ability to reinforce rapidly by air has been maintained. "






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I quoted statistics about the British Navy from a British website --- the fact remains that  Great Britain STILL has a Navy -- now .. I would agree that it is NOT the same size as it once was ..  BUT it still exists.


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The United Kingdom may not have a LARGE Navy -- but the fact is they STILL have a Navy.


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The United Kingdom may not have a LARGE Navy -- but the fact is they STILL have a Navy.


I think it fits in the bathtub.......


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This is a list of active Royal Navy ships, complete and correct as of October 2011. In total there are 79 commissioned
ships in the navy, including 2 which are permanently stationed, 1 in extended readiness and 1 not in active
service.
19 of the commissioned vessels are major surface combatants/fleet escorts (6 guided missile destroyers and
13 frigates) and 11 are nuclear powered submarines (4 ballistic missile submarines and 7 fleet submarines).
In addition the Navy possesses an aircraft carrier, a helicopter carrier and 2 landing platform docks.
The 19 ships of the Royal Fleet Auxiliary are not included in this list or above figures; additionally there are the
minor vessels (tugs, etc) of the (now privatised) Marine Services, and training vessels based at the various shore
establishments.





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This is a list of active Royal Navy ships, complete and correct as of October 2011. In total there are 79 commissioned
ships in the navy, including 2 which are permanently stationed, 1 in extended readiness and 1 not in active
service.
19 of the commissioned vessels are major surface combatants/fleet escorts (6 guided missile destroyers and
13 frigates) and 11 are nuclear powered submarines (4 ballistic missile submarines and 7 fleet submarines).
In addition the Navy possesses an aircraft carrier, a helicopter carrier and 2 landing platform docks.
The 19 ships of the Royal Fleet Auxiliary are not included in this list or above figures; additionally there are the
minor vessels (tugs, etc) of the (now privatised) Marine Services, and training vessels based at the various shore
establishments.


That is very similar to the numbers and list that I posted -- and that "certain folks" claimed was untrue -- so I guess my sources were pretty accurate.


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