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Box A Rox
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– Under the Obama administration, domestic energy production is at its highest level in eight years.

– The U.S. has more oil and natural gas drilling rigs than the rest of the world. The number of rigs have
increased in the past three years to 1,272.
– “After declining to levels not seen since the 1940s, U.S. crude production began rising again in 2009,”
writes the Houston Chronicle.
– The Energy Department confirmed yesterday that the U.S. exported more oil-product than imported
for the first time since 1949.



The main reason that our import mix is declining is that production has increased while we move to
reduce oil dependence altogether with clean energy investments and new fuel efficiency standards
that cut carbon pollution and more than $2.2 million barrels of oil per day.

Mar 1, 2012


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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And gas prices are 2x what they were when Obummer took office, what's your point?

http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx?time=24
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It's George Bush's fault.  

Just look at those numbers and how they started declining during the time that "Big Oil" was running the country.  Really?  Big Oil man in the White House starts a trend towards a REDUCTION in dependence on foreign oil?  Can't be.  Oh, but he can't be CREDITED for something good happening, he can only take the fall for the bad happening, right?  Oh, but wait, it was a Democrat controlled House and Senate that did it, right?  Nope, not for the first 2 years that show the beginning of the decline.


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And gas prices are 2x what they were when Obummer took office, what's your point?

http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx?time=24


Thanks for the graph... The graph that shows the all time highest gas price in US history was held by,
yea, you guessed it, his predecessor, George Worst Bush. (But I'm sure it wasn't Georgie's fault)


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Thanks for the graph... The graph that shows the all time highest gas price in US history was held by,
yea, you guessed it, his predecessor, George Worst Bush. (But I'm sure it wasn't Georgie's fault)


Funny, I only posted a 24 month graph ... you'll do anything to "blame bush"
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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Again, living in the past (96 months) So, it's better than Bush, but it's still more than TWICE what it was when he took office .. but that's ok?
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Gas price under G Worst Bush went to $4.21 a gallon and was over $3.00 a gallon most of his last term in office.

The only reason gas was at $1.85 when President Obama took office is because of the economic crash which
greatly reduced demand and the crash effected all countries not just the US.

Gas prices rise with demand and as the economy has improved it is completely normal for gas prices to increase
as more businesses use fuel for deliveries, more trucks on the road, more people traveling, and more people
driving to work.


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Gas prices did go up under Bush and they also went down a considerable amount under Bush. The difference btwn these two presidents is Bush's reaction to the problem wasn't only utilizing one solution. Obama turned down the pipeline, has decreased domestic drilling, and his answer to the gas prices rising is tapping the reserves.

The reserves aren't there because this president wants to appease the right while doing what the extreme left wants him to do; not drill over here! The reserves are there for emergencies and for extreme circumstances. They're meant to be a last resort.

Increasing drilling over here and lowering our dependence on foreign fuel will drive down costs!! Bc not only are we utilizing the crude oil we have yet to drill in N.A. but we're also getting back into the oil business as a serious competitor. More competition means lower prices...this is true for any market.

Yes we should develop other means to carry us into the future...but that doesn't mean to just drop one industry and replace it with a greener one. Can we transition for the love of God??

Continue to drill over here to keep the prices down while alternative methods are tested and perfected and then transition! This isn't rocket science...
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Start by eliminating the ethanol in gasoline as it actually decreases gas milage and doesn't reduce carbon emissions.
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Start by eliminating the ethanol in gasoline as it actually decreases gas milage and doesn't reduce carbon emissions.


While I can understand this, and think that in general, it will help, personally, I have helped to reduce the necessity of gasoline by driving my car on solely E85 since I bought it.  There's only been a couple times in the past 6 months that I've bought E10 (regular unleaded).  The rest, I have helped reduce the gasoline usage by purchasing E85.


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Gas prices did go up under Bush and they also went down a considerable amount under Bush. The difference btwn these two presidents is Bush's reaction to the problem wasn't only utilizing one solution. Obama turned down the pipeline, has decreased domestic drilling, and his answer to the gas prices rising is tapping the reserves.

The reserves aren't there because this president wants to appease the right while doing what the extreme left wants him to do; not drill over here! The reserves are there for emergencies and for extreme circumstances. They're meant to be a last resort.

Increasing drilling over here and lowering our dependence on foreign fuel will drive down costs!! Bc not only are we utilizing the crude oil we have yet to drill in N.A. but we're also getting back into the oil business as a serious competitor. More competition means lower prices...this is true for any market.

Yes we should develop other means to carry us into the future...but that doesn't mean to just drop one industry and replace it with a greener one. Can we transition for the love of God??

Continue to drill over here to keep the prices down while alternative methods are tested and perfected and then transition! This isn't rocket science...


That's a very interesting post... Very interesting but about as factual as Paul Ryan's acceptance speech.  

Ya just can't make up facts to fit your agenda.  
Facts:

Saturday, February 18, 2012  The Houston Chronicle:
http://www.chron.com/business/article/U-S-oil-gusher-blows-out-projections-3341919.php?cmpid=twitter

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The United States' rapidly declining crude oil supply has made a stunning about-face,
shredding federal oil projections and putting energy independence in sight of some analyst
forecasts.

After declining to levels not seen since the 1940s, U.S. crude production began rising again in
2009. Drilling rigs have rushed into the nation's oil fields, suggesting a surge in domestic crude is on the horizon.

The number of rigs in U.S. oil fields has more than quad­rupled in the past three years to 1,272,
according to the Baker Hughes rig count. Including those in natural gas fields, the United States
now has more rigs at work than the entire rest of the world.

Others however,  believe oil prices will continue to rise despite the growing supply coming out of U.S. oil fields. Domestic crude prices are closely tied to the world market.
That makes domestic prices susceptible to the global Brent crude benchmark price, which is on the rise due to foreign conflicts and rapidly growing energy demands in developing countries.


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    FILE: Former U.S. Vice President and environmentalist Al Gore is silhouetted against an image of the earth during his June 8 talk about climate change in Manila, Philippines. Gore said at a green energy business conference in Athens that lobbyists have wrongly kept alive the ethanol program he once touted. (AP)
Former U.S. Vice President Al Gore reportedly has had a change of heart on ethanol, telling a conference on green energy in Europe that he only supported tax breaks for the alternative fuel to pander to farmers in his home state of Tennessee and the first-in-the-nation caucuses state of Iowa.

Speaking at a green energy business conference in Athens sponsored by Marfin Popular Bank, Gore said the lobbyists have wrongly kept alive the program he once touted.

"It is not a good policy to have these massive subsidies for first-generation ethanol," Reuters quoted Gore saying of the U.S. policy that is about to come up for congressional review. "First-generation ethanol I think was a mistake. The energy conversion ratios are at best very small.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politic.....pport/#ixzz25WPwwGUa
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Gasoline prices, adjusted for inflation, have never been higher


2012 will be just be worse.

More drilling in the US will increase the world supply, but will not necessarily decrease dependence on foreign oil. These companies drilling here can just as easily sell the oil overseas as sell it here... it all depends on where they can get the best price. The " US oil is our oil" mantra is bullshit. Unless the US gov't tariffs the crap out of exported oil.


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There is no such thing as "energy independence" unless there are protectionism policies in place.  The Soviet Union tried it, it didn't work.  The flag wavers love the protectionism/patriotism rhetoric.  They believe energy and food resources produced inside the United States are exclusively for U.S. citizens.  

The "drill here drill now" people are supporting more oil on the global market that will be used to take the people of 3rd world countries out of their grass huts and caves and into the cities, powering hot water heaters, gas stoves, and light bulbs in their apartment.


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