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Other communities that went this route discovered the same failures, also....but now how do you undo it?  Once it's done, the avenue back is too costly and for the most part impossible.


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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I am not worried ---  the property tax cap will force school districts, municipalities and other taxing districts (including fire districts) to merge  VOLUNTARILY within the next 5 to 10 years ....  and if the economy doesn't improve soon ... much closer to the 5 years than the 10 years.

The other pressure will come from the state -- to reduce ITS spending --- and since school districts, municipalities and taxing districts were created by the State .....  the State could  AND WILL  (IMHO)  either rewrite the laws regarding these or will UNILATERALLY move to eliminate levels of government, types of taxing districts and/or to consolidate  school districts, municipalities and other taxing districts.    The State of New York did it once before in the 1890's when it UNILATERALLY merged 5 municipalities into the 5 borough City of New York --[bmy hope and expectation is that the State of New York will do the same thing with school districts, municipalities, counties and other taxing districts in the very near future.][/b]


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Many states have 1 school district per county --- not 600+ like New York -- and there is no evidence that having a larger school district negatively impacts educational outcomes.

Bottomline -- consolidation means that LESS money will be spent on administrative salaries and overhead -- thus freeing up money to   a) be spent on the ACTUAL INSTRUCTION of students or  b) given back to the tax payers in the form of tax cuts.


BTW --  I whole-heartedly support funding education in the state of New York through the State Income Tax and other state revenues.    Vouchers would be given to the parent(s)/guardian(s) of school aged children  (one set amount for elementary students, one set amount for middle school students and one set amount for high school students)   ---------- the parent(s)/guardian(s) would then have the freedom to choose the IN STATE school --   public or private or parochial school-- that their child would attend.  Charter schools could remain but would be considered private schools and would get no special treatment.

The state already picks up 40% to 55% of the cost of public education through "state aid" and other programs --- and these funds are so politically distributed that it is a crock and a shame.  

My proposal would ensure that every student would have the same $ amount voucher whether they were a child from affluent Westchester County or from impoverished  Harlem or Schoharie.



the NYC school district covers millions of kids....that's a consolidated school system....


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It's time New Yorkers vote in a Scott Walker style governor and break up the public union monopoly and stranglehold they have on the taxpayers.  Merging school districts will just make sure a larger number of people have an equally poor education.  

But I guess it would sound like a great idea if I wasn't a parent and didn't have children.  It's easy to make those claims when you don't have to put YOUR children throught the already shitty public school system.


AAAAHHHH......YUP!!!!!



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The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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consolidation DOES NOT EQUATE to lower costs....

just like CICERO said...it guarantees more public workers salaries/pension/bennies(ie: Greece/france/italy) while the rest stays the same....

what will drive the consolidation is the reasoning behind school buildings.....the new tech coming into existence and common use will ultimately push out the old school version of education......

so what is the philosophy behind the consolidation and school buildings other than a giant daycare??????


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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I would be concerned that in consolidation that there would be a superintendent for a county-wide "district" then some assistant superintendents who would do the same as the current superintendents by district, and then assistants to the assistants, etc.

If there was such a consolidation, who and how does it get decided where students to go school?   Would they just continue attending their excisting schools based on the existing boundary lines, or does it mean kids can go to almost any school, in which case that will be a HUMONGOUS INCREASED IN TAXES to cover the busing all over the county  

I hardly think that consolidation would mean one huge high school for example

And if all the districts in Schdy county were consolidated, well then who's to say that maybe the capital region districts shouldn't merge into one district, e.g., Albany, Schdy & Troy.   But then, don't stop consolidation there, let's go for the consolidation throughout the Mohawk Valley perhaps, one district for Alb, Sch, Troy, Mongomery, Schoharie, Saratoga & Rensselaer Cos perhaps?

Why stop there.   One district for the whole NYS

Why shop there?   One district for the whole US.

Why stop at schools?   Let's eliminate municipalities and states, just one government in the whole US and one which the non-school and the school stuff is all combined too.



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Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
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the NYC school district covers millions of kids....that's a consolidated school system....


Yes - it has 1.1 million students and 80,000 teachers -- but even it has had several different versions of its organizational structure ---  for a long time there were 5 districts within the system (each conforming to a borough) .. then went to 10 "regions"  and more recently adopted a new organizational structure.

But for the purposes of upstate communities --- I believe that Schenectady County is just the right size to have 1 school district ----  other areas (like Albany County and Saratoga County) would need a different configuration.


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Yes - it has 1.1 million students and 80,000 teachers -- but even it has had several different versions of its organizational structure ---  for a long time there were 5 districts within the system (each conforming to a borough) .. then went to 10 "regions"  and more recently adopted a new organizational structure.

But for the purposes of upstate communities --- I believe that Schenectady County is just the right size to have 1 school district ----  other areas (like Albany County and Saratoga County) would need a different configuration.


CONSOLIDATION IS CONSOLIDATION.....it doesn't matter what jigsaw piece you shape it like.....but the ABSOLUTE LIE IS that consolidation equates to tax savings.....IT'S A FLAT OUT LIE.......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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CONSOLIDATION IS CONSOLIDATION.....it doesn't matter what jigsaw piece you shape it like.....but the ABSOLUTE LIE IS that consolidation equates to tax savings.....IT'S A FLAT OUT LIE.......



New York City was consolidated (from multiple municipalities into 1) in the late 1890's  -- its public school system was consolidated sometime between then and the late 1960's   -------  and is a much larger system -- so it is no comparison to Schenectady County and its 6 school districts.

How is it a lie ????    Republicans have been preaching for 50 years -- "we want less government" --- and going from 6 districts to 1 district  is  LESS government.    

And you have no proof that consolidating from 6 districts in 1 district will NOT save money --- I am saying I believe it will save money ... and allow more flexibility in the types of educational programming offered.   Also, it will save money -- as far as the cost of building new facilities go --- because if we consolidate .. we won't have to spend the millions of dollars that Mohonasen was proposing on new classroom space -- just reopen   Woestina Elementary and Mariaville Elementary -- the buildings -- and use  EXISTING space rather than borrow money to build new space.


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This is all nonsense. The DEMS have been talking about consolidating for years and doing nothing. Post election political hay. Consolidate Scotia into Glenville for starters. NO!! Dem hacks will lose their lob jobs. The DEMS wasted thousands on Stratton's police consolidation study. What happened? It benefited a professor who made bank. There is no support to consolidate police nor school districts. Try unified buying for the schools Countywide-take a baby step and see how it goes.
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This is all nonsense. The DEMS have been talking about consolidating for years and doing nothing. Post election political hay. Consolidate Scotia into Glenville for starters. NO!! Dem hacks will lose their lob jobs. The DEMS wasted thousands on Stratton's police consolidation study. What happened? It benefited a professor who made bank. There is no support to consolidate police nor school districts. Try unified buying for the schools Countywide-take a baby step and see how it goes.


Well -- I would be the first to scold ALL the elected officials of EVERY party for being slow to act.  Consolidation should have been done 30 years ago.  I have always believed in taking action and solving the problem -- not just procrastinating and hoping it will go away.


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How is it a lie ????    Republicans have been preaching for 50 years -- "we want less government" --- and going from 6 districts to 1 district  is  LESS government.    


Centralizing control through consolidation isn't LESS GOVERNMENT.  It is consolidating and expanding government into fewer and fewer hands.  Based on your logic of consolidation, schools, police, fire, and all pubic services should be nationalized, since that would ultimately be the cheapest most efficient solution.


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Centralizing control through consolidation isn't LESS GOVERNMENT.  It is consolidating and expanding government into fewer and fewer hands.  Based on your logic of consolidation, schools, police, fire, and all pubic services should be nationalized, since that would ultimately be the cheapest most efficient solution.


Your argument is quite ignorant -- I have never called for consolidating local government functions at the national level.   There is NOTHING in anything that I have ever said to suggest that doing so would be the most efficient.

Reducing the number of local government entities would be more efficient and effective -- and save money -- and that has been successfully done in other states.  


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Your argument is quite ignorant -- I have never called for consolidating local government functions at the national level.   There is NOTHING in anything that I have ever said to suggest that doing so would be the most efficient.

Reducing the number of local government entities would be more efficient and effective -- and save money -- and that has been successfully done in other states.  


No, you suggested that consolidating local services would be "less government".  I was responding to your ignorant claim that centralizing local government functions into a LARGER more centralized government equals smaller government.  I doesn't, it means centralizing it and giving a smaller group of people more power over the lives of many.  It is the same argument that Barack Obama and the Democrats made when they passed Obamacare.  Centralizing healthcare is more cost effective because it was more centralized where the "smart' bureaucrats can manage it.  It amazes me how people are so quick to give up their freedom and liberty in return for promised economic savings.


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No, you suggested that consolidating local services would be "less government".  I was responding to your ignorant claim that centralizing local government functions into a LARGER more centralized government equals smaller government.  I doesn't, it means centralizing it and giving a smaller group of people more power over the lives of many.  It is the same argument that Barack Obama and the Democrats made when they passed Obamacare.  Centralizing healthcare is more cost effective because it was more centralized where the "smart' bureaucrats can manage it.  It amazes me how people are so quick to give up their freedom and liberty in return for promised economic savings.


CHA-F'EN-CHING!!!!


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