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Box A Rox
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"Being branded as antiscience is not a good future for us,"Former GOP Rep. Bob Inglis told National Journal. "How can
we say to young people, we're dismissing science? That's not a good place for our party to be, and it's not historically
where we've been. There are conservative voices that will hopefully show the way back to conservatism and away
from a populist rejection of science."

National Journal
http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/heads-in-the-sand-20111201?page=7


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Because when scientists make up false numbers and data in order to advance a political agenda, that's called science......Riiiiiiight.

I'd rather talk about how the 'Grandfather Paradox' was solved, because the reasoning behind it is alot more plauseable




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Because when scientists make up false numbers and data in order to advance a political agenda, that's called science......Riiiiiiight.

I'd rather talk about how the 'Grandfather Paradox' was solved, because the reasoning behind it is alot more plauseable


Check it out:
The Scientific Guide to Global Warming Skepticism
http://www.skepticalscience.com/The-Scientific-Guide-to-Global-Warming-Skepticism.html


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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All credibility is lost when people find out that the figures used to attain these findings were falsified.
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Box A Rox
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Quoted from Shadow
All credibility is lost when people find out that the figures used to attain these findings were falsified.


That humans are causing global warming is the position of the Academies of Science from 19 countries plus many
scientific organizations that study climate science. More specifically, around 95% of active climate researchers
actively publishing climate papers endorse the consensus position.


Shadow is entitled to his own opinion, but he's not entitled to his own facts.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus-intermediate.htm

BTW, this site was linked from  "Republicans for Environmental Protection".
Yea, there are some Republicans who remember when their party lead the way protecting the Environment and
saving our heritage.
Their mission statement:
Republicans for Environmental Protection was founded in 1995
to resurrect the GOP's great conservation tradition
and to restore natural resource conservation and sound environmental protection
as fundamental elements of the Republican Party's vision for America.


http://www.rep.org/


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Box, this really isn't the time to bring this up.  After all, we're supposed to be getting somewhere close to 6 inches of global warming on the ground by some time tomorrow.  Plus, even the people who make money on global warming won't talk about it at this time of year.


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If all the facts that were presented to the world were accurate and not altered to fit an agenda and all the scientists weren't getting their grant money to study global warming from groups that would profit from the carbon credits being sold to companies due to global warming then they might have presented an honest study that would have been much more creditable.
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Box, this really isn't the time to bring this up.  After all, we're supposed to be getting somewhere close to 6 inches of global warming on the ground by some time tomorrow.  Plus, even the people who make money on global warming won't talk about it at this time of year.

GLOBAL WARMING, although an  often used term, is a misnomer.
THE CLIMATE CHANGE that is happening today (there is no doubt)
will lead to warmer climate in some  places, wetter in others, much dryer, colder, windier, etc all over the world.

Some places today that are too dry to grow crops, may now grow food... others where they now farm extensively,
may be unsuitable for farming.  Weather patterns will shift, so that hurricanes are more likely in some areas that today
never have them.  

Climate CHANGE... is CHANGE from it's present state... not necessarily WARMING.


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If all the facts that were presented to the world were accurate and not altered to fit an agenda and all the scientists weren't getting their grant money to study global warming from groups that would profit from the carbon credits being sold to companies due to global warming then they might have presented an honest study that would have been much more creditable.


According to Shadow, over 95% of Climate Research Scientists in the world are criminals, perpetrating fraud on
the American people to line their pockets with Grant Dollars.  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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John Kenneth Galbraith

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And in the 80's scientist were saying we were heading into another ice age Global warming will be seen as one of the biggest scams in history making billions for those who are insiders. Some people buy into the fear of terrorism and some buy into the fear of global warming, one thing is for sure and that is both produce fortunes for those who can play on that fear.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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You Call This ‘Consensus’ on Climate Change?
by Joe Bast
on July 7, 2011



Contrary to what you read repeatedly in daily newspapers or hear on television, most scientists do not believe there is a “scientific consensus” that man-made climate change (often labeled anthropogenic global warming, or AGW) is or will be a catastrophe. Unfortunately, the old/mainstream/dead media will be the last folks to acknowledge this, so people who dispute the “consensus” will continue to be slandered and abused for years to come.

It is important to distinguish between the statement, which is true, that there is no scientific consensus that AGW is or will be a catastrophe, and the also-true claims that the climate is changing (of course it is, it is always changing) and that most scientists believe there may be a human impact on climate (our emissions and alterations of the landscape are surely having an impact, though they are often local or regional (like heat islands) and small relative to natural variation).

The three different statements are not contradictory or mutually exclusive. Yet it is difficult to find a reporter for a major daily newspaper who understands this elementary distinction. Since reporters aren’t all stupid, we can only guess as to their motives for blurring this important distinction.

What evidence is there to support my claim? I believe it follows from a reasonable interpretation of the following evidence.

(1) The latest international survey of climate scientists by German scientists Dennis Bray and Hans von Storch found (quoting my own interpretation of their results) that “for two-thirds of the questions asked, scientific opinion is DEEPLY DIVIDED, and in half of those cases, most scientists DISAGREE with positions that are at the foundation of the alarmist case.” If you don’t believe that climate models are good enough to predict future climate conditions, for example, how can you “believe” man-made global warming will be a threat?
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Nobody even pays attention to this stupid climate change issue anymore!!

NOBODY CARES!!!!

It's a normal cycle and scientists who try to prove otherwise ends up with egg on their face.

It's just a 'political liberal greenie' thing!

Nobody gives a crap!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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Climate Momentum Shifting: Prominent Scientists Reverse Belief in Man-made Global Warming - Now Skeptics

Growing Number of Scientists Convert to Skeptics After Reviewing New Research

Following the U.S. Senate's vote today on a global warming measure (see today's AP article: Senate Defeats Climate Change Measure,) it is an opportune time to examine the recent and quite remarkable momentum shift taking place in climate science. Many former believers in catastrophic man-made global warming have recently reversed themselves and are now climate skeptics.  The names included below are just a sampling of the prominent scientists who have spoken out recently to oppose former Vice President Al Gore, the United Nations, and the media driven “consensus” on man-made global warming.

The list below is just the tip of the iceberg.  A more detailed and comprehensive sampling of scientists who have only recently spoken out against climate hysteria will be forthcoming in a soon to be released U.S. Senate report. Please stay tuned to this website, as this new government report is set to redefine the current climate debate.

In the meantime, please review the list of scientists below and ask yourself why the media is missing one of the biggest stories in climate of 2007.  Feel free to distribute the partial list of scientists who recently converted to skeptics to your local schools and universities. The voices of rank and file scientists opposing climate doomsayers can serve as a counter to the alarmism that children are being exposed to on a daily basis. (See Washington Post April 16, 2007 article about kids fearing of a “climactic Armageddon” )

The media's climate fear factor seemingly grows louder even as the latest science grows less and less alarming by the day. (See Der Spiegel May 7, 2007 article: Not the End of the World as We Know It ) It is also worth noting that the proponents of climate fears are increasingly attempting to suppress dissent by skeptics. (See UPI May 10, 2007 article: U.N. official says it's 'completely immoral' to doubt global warming fears )


Geophysicist Dr. Claude Allegre, a top geophysicist and French Socialist who has authored more than 100 scientific articles and written 11 books and received numerous scientific awards including the Goldschmidt Medal from the Geochemical Society of the United States, converted from climate alarmist to skeptic in 2006. Allegre, who was one of the first scientists to sound global warming fears 20 years ago, now says the cause of climate change is "unknown" and accused the “prophets of doom of global warming” of being motivated by money, noting that "the ecology of helpless protesting has become a very lucrative business for some people!" “Glaciers’ chronicles or historical archives point to the fact that climate is a capricious phenomena. This fact is confirmed by mathematical meteorological theories. So, let us be cautious,” Allegre explained in a September 21, 2006 article in the French newspaper L'EXPRESS. The National Post in Canada also profiled Allegre on March 2, 2007, noting “Allegre has the highest environmental credentials. The author of early environmental books, he fought successful battles to protect the ozone layer from CFCs and public health from lead pollution.” Allegre now calls fears of a climate disaster "simplistic and obscuring the true dangers” mocks "the greenhouse-gas fanatics whose proclamations consist in denouncing man's role on the climate without doing anything about it except organizing conferences and preparing protocols that become dead letters." Allegre, a member of both the French and U.S. Academy of Sciences, had previously expressed concern about manmade global warming. "By burning fossil fuels, man enhanced the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere which has raised the global mean temperature by half a degree in the last century," Allegre wrote 20 years ago. In addition, Allegre was one of 1500 scientists who signed a November 18, 1992 letter titled “World Scientists' Warning to Humanity” in which the scientists warned that global warming’s “potential risks are very great.”
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Quoted from bumblethru
Nobody even pays attention to this stupid climate change issue anymore!!

NOBODY CARES!!!!

It's a normal cycle and scientists who try to prove otherwise ends up with egg on their face.

It's just a 'political liberal greenie' thing!

Nobody gives a crap!


You're wrong bumble... lots of people care about this planet... just none of them are no this board.  



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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John Kenneth Galbraith

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the question of the millenium.....will the earth vomit us out, or are we that small?


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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