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American Catholics Prep For New Mass Translation RACHEL ZOLL 11/ 5/11 07:05 PM ET
RIVER EDGE, N.J. — Each Sunday for decades, Roman Catholic priests have offered the blessing – "Lord be with you." And each Sunday, parishioners would respond, "And also with you."
Until this month.
Come Nov. 27, the response will be, "And with your spirit." And so will begin a small revolution in a tradition-rich faith.
At the end of the month, parishes in English-speaking countries will begin to use a new translation of the Roman Missal, the ritual text of prayers and instructions for celebrating Mass. International committees of specialists worked under a Vatican directive to hew close to the Latin, sparking often bitter protests by English speakers over phrasing and readability. After years of revisions negotiated by bishops' conferences and the Holy See, dioceses are preparing anxious clergy and parishioners for the rollout, one of the biggest changes in Catholic worship in generations.
"We're tinkering with a very intimate and personal moment," said the Rev. Richard Hilgartner, executive director of the worship office for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. "It's public worship, it's the church's official public prayer, but for the individual faithful, it's one of the primary means of their encounter with the Lord."........................>>>.......................>>>>......................http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/05/catholic-mass_n_1077815.html
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Latin should still be in schools.... |
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I know Father Hilgartner well from when we attended graduate school together in Baltimore -- he certainly has some "unique" thoughts on Liturgy or at least did 20 years ago.
As for the Liturgical changes, I think they are not a huge deal. It is a more literal translation from the Latin -- and in the first few years between Vatican II and the approval of the Mass translation which we have used for about 44 years -- some of the wording, like the response "and with your spirit" instead of "and also with you" -- was used during the 1960's when altar tables and English language missalettes first appeared,
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Another tempest in a teapot! Jesus spoke Aramaic. He also knew Hebrew, and possibly Greek. At no time did Jesus speak Latin... So... Come on all you Catholics... Get out your English To Aramaic dictionary and learn the real language of Christ. |
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When the Mass was in latin an ol altar boy joke was-
Whats the popes phone number ? Et cum spiritu tuo |
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When the Mass was in latin an ol altar boy joke was-
Whats the popes phone number ? Et cum spiritu tuo
I always wondered about the latin: "Dominic go frisk em" |
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First no meat on friday then it's ok for meat on friday then its 'also with you' then 'also with your spirit' |
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I always wondered about the latin: "Dominic go frisk em"
that's freakin' funny.....there's beer all over the keyboard.....hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.....now I need to switch to scotch..... still giggling.....hahahahhahahahaha |
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I always wondered about the latin: "Dominic go frisk em"
is that when they are swinging those incense balls around? |
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The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
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