Legitimate question here................what's the estimated cost for the park project?.............and what would be the estimated cost of maintaining this jewel...........warning smart-a** comment coming.........20yrs??? really??? 20years????..........can't wrap my mind around that one
Legitimate question here................what's the estimated cost for the park project?.............and what would be the estimated cost of maintaining this jewel...........warning smart-a** comment coming.........20yrs??? really??? 20years????..........can't wrap my mind around that one
waiting for tree growth for the fall or a hurricane....which ever came first......the launch had to be timed perfectly....
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Tired".............do your homework on how it will get funded ( don't ask the question ) figure out that everything doesn't revolve around the almighty $$$ and people do have n interest in building a better community...and willing to pay for it!, sorry you have a difference of opinion and don't understand....
Tired".............do your homework on how it will get funded ( don't ask the question ) figure out that everything doesn't revolve around the almighty $$$ and people do have n interest in building a better community...and willing to pay for it!, sorry you have a difference of opinion and don't understand....
no,no..........wondering if a price tags been attached....or hasn't it got that far
Quoted from biaggio Most of you just dont get it.....I give up, you keep repeating the obvious issues we experience in this bad economy and expect nothing can be done until it s fixed..
I'm not saying that nothing can be done EVER........I'm saying that nothing should be done right NOW!! Millions of folks are out of work biaggio! The economy is FLAT! It's like everything and everyone STOPPED. Uncertainty is the feeling of the day!
You like everyone else is complaining that taxes are too high, right? Well why do you suppose that is biaggio? Because the GOV ALMIGHTY is promising things it just can't deliver anymore! WE ARE BROKE...get it? And the more the we demand from GOV ALMIGHTY....the more they will try to oblige us and tax us even more. Don't you get it yet???
Wouldn't you rather have lower property taxes and more money in your pay check. Ya know.......YOUR MONEY???
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Legitimate question here................what's the estimated cost for the park project?.............and what would be the estimated cost of maintaining this jewel...........warning smart-a** comment coming.........20yrs??? really??? 20years????..........can't wrap my mind around that one
As has been stated many times over -
#1) the town already owns about 80 acres and the canal corporation about 70 acres of the land that would be utilized for the park -- THEREFORE the cost to Rotterdam taxpayers to purchase the land on which the park will be created = $ 0
#2) almost the entire cost of developing one part of the park will be underwritten by a private entity -- thus the cost to Rotterdam taxpayers to develop about 60% of the park area = $0.
#3) the value of the donated work developing one portion of the park can be used as the town's match when applying for state and federal grant monies .. these grant monies will be used to fund the development of the remaining 40% of the park area ---- thus the cost to Rotterdam taxpayers to develop the remaining 40% or the park area (and possibly build a community center in some other part of the town) = $0
#4) the park is envisioned as a PASSIVE USE Park .... there are no plans to install large expanses of lawn or build a lot of structures requiring costly maintenance --- the ball fields and amenities at Woestina Park would remain .. and possibly a football/soccer field would be added ---- one major structure to be constructed in the park would be dockage for pleasure craft on the state canal do stop in Rotterdam for a day visit or longer ---- this dockage could be leased to a private entity to operate and thus minimize the cost of maintaining that facility .......................... there would be interpretative signage along the bike/hiketrail to point out the historical or natural features found in Rotterdam Junction ...... there has been some discussion of incorporating a community garden in this park or some other town park. Given that the park is still in the conceptual or vision stage -- it is difficult to give a $ figure for annual maintenance costs HOWEVER the whole idea is to come up with a formal design for a PASSIVE USE - LOW MAINTENANCE - KEEP IT AS NATURAL AS POSSIBLE TOWN PARK. This park will NOT be like Central Park in NYC or Schenectady that greatly transforms the landscape (as CP in NYC did) or has a number of costly to maintain structures/improvements.
Oh -- and I have never implied or said that it would be a "mega park" --- the Nayboobs are the ones who are trying to portray the proposed park as some kind of taj mahal project. THAT IS SIMPLY UNTRUE.
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Bumbthru....do you really think our taxes will ever go own....if I truly believed that was possible I would be on you side...it ain't ever happening. Take what you can get I say, everyone else is and let's get this town in order....Our property taxes in this town are so high because everyone doesn't pay their fair share...unequal assessments. GAR did a sh*t job...shardon court montebello, Ronnie court...look at what they get away with..not to mention some of the commercial properties....asimple park that will improve the area isn't gonna make or break what we pay, but could ad value to the area
Modern technology at a historic site Mabee Farm goes green with education center in Rotterdam Junction By Paul Nelson Staff writer Published 12:00 a.m., Tuesday, October 11, 2011
ROTTERDAM -- From its 100 southward-facing solar panels to the 15 400-foot geothermal wells, the new George E. Franchere Education Center on the historic Mabee Farm site is an environmentally friendly structure sure to attract more visitors.
The $3.2 million center is composed of brick, slate and recycled oak for the floors. The timber trusses of the solar picnic pavilion are also recycled, having come from a demolished Dexter shoe store on Central Avenue in Colonie, said Pat Barrot, director of the Mabee on Route 5S in Rotterdam Junction.
The 13,000-square-foot facility also will feature amenities such as a four 60-inch flat screen televisions with displays of assorted historical events, said Edwin D. Reilly Jr., president of the Schenectady County Historical Society that owns own the homestead.
Franchere, the last descendant of the Mabee family, donated the property in 1993 to the society with the promise it would remain open to visitors. Franchere died in 2004.
"One of the objectives of building the center is so at least some part of the farm could be open all year round," Reilly said........................>>>>................>>>>...................Read more: http://www.timesunion.com/loca.....26.php#ixzz1aTGHLd5G
#1) the town already owns about 80 acres and the canal corporation about 70 acres of the land that would be utilized for the park -- THEREFORE the cost to Rotterdam taxpayers to purchase the land on which the park will be created = $ 0
Ok so far so good.......I did know the town owned some land there
#2) almost the entire cost of developing one part of the park will be underwritten by a private entity -- thus the cost to Rotterdam taxpayers to develop about 60% of the park area = $0.
You're dealing in generalities here, almost doesn't cut it with me. Got a dollar guess-timate?
#3) the value of the donated work developing one portion of the park can be used as the town's match when applying for state and federal grant monies .. these grant monies will be used to fund the development of the remaining 40% of the park area ---- thus the cost to Rotterdam taxpayers to develop the remaining 40% or the park area (and possibly build a community center in some other part of the town) = $0
Please no money from the govt. there are private funds available. Look for 'em.
Community center huh........now you're adding something here that IMHO has nothing to do with a park...wat's up wit dat?
#4) the park is envisioned as a PASSIVE USE Park .... there are no plans to install large expanses of lawn or build a lot of structures requiring costly maintenance --- the ball fields and amenities at Woestina Park would remain .. and possibly a football/soccer field would be added ---- one major structure to be constructed in the park would be dockage for pleasure craft on the state canal do stop in Rotterdam for a day visit or longer ---- this dockage could be leased to a private entity to operate and thus minimize the cost of maintaining that facility .......................... there would be interpretative signage along the bike/hiketrail to point out the historical or natural features found in Rotterdam Junction ...... there has been some discussion of incorporating a community garden in this park or some other town park. Given that the park is still in the conceptual or vision stage -- it is difficult to give a $ figure for annual maintenance costs HOWEVER the whole idea is to come up with a formal design for a PASSIVE USE - LOW MAINTENANCE - KEEP IT AS NATURAL AS POSSIBLE TOWN PARK. This park will NOT be like Central Park in NYC or Schenectady that greatly transforms the landscape (as CP in NYC did) or has a number of costly to maintain structures/improvements.
You're contradicting yourself in the first sentence. How can it passive when you imply there may some stuctures. And Low Maintenance means some maintenance doesn't it? When I walk on the bike path I can tell that it's being maintained. That costs somebody.
Oh -- and I have never implied or said that it would be a "mega park" --- the Nayboobs are the ones who are trying to portray the proposed park as some kind of taj mahal project. THAT IS SIMPLY UNTRUE.
Look I'm not against this park just to be against it. I have concerns. If this could be built and maintained without tax dollars then I say full speed ahead and damn the torpedo's. But all you've shown me here is you really don't have a clear vision how it's gonna be funded. We don't need pie-in-the-sky, we need beans on the table.
Oh and why couldn't you have answered my questions earlier in the thread instead of making this an exercise in futility?
biaggio, I don't know how old you are, but I am, as some like to say, "older than dirt". When I was younger I could best be described as a "flaming liberal". I fought all the good fights.....marched against the war.....prayed for peace......voted for McGovern and waged the war against all those "old fogies" who just didn't get it. Guess what? My unfettered idealism turned into reality. People and attitudes change as you get older.
Yes I'm concerned about dollars. I live on a fixed income. I count every penny and try to find ways to save so I don't have to dine on cat food (my cat doesn't like sharing) Next March I have to figure out how I'm gonna offset the Medicare deduction coming out of my monthly check. I'll prob'ly discontinue cable tv, and my land line phone. that'll save some. I've already stopped driving unneccessarily (haven't driven my car since March) and maybe it's time to eliminate that too. I'm gonna start baking my own bread again. I live like a monk now and I'm not complaining......it's my choice.
So when I hear that someone wants to use tax dollars to build something that I see as frivolous, when the money needs to go for more important things I get irritated. Sorry, nothing personal, that's just how I am. I'm not against the park, just the way it may be funded.
And has anybody looked into private grants? Just asking. Peace out.
I couldn't find any info on this, that's why I asked.
Ok so far so good.......I did know the town owned some land there
You're dealing in generalities here, almost doesn't cut it with me. Got a dollar guess-timate?
Please no money from the govt. there are private funds available. Look for 'em.
Community center huh........now you're adding something here that IMHO has nothing to do with a park...wat's up wit dat?
You're contradicting yourself in the first sentence. How can it passive when you imply there may some stuctures. And Low Maintenance means some maintenance doesn't it? When I walk on the bike path I can tell that it's being maintained. That costs somebody.
Look I'm not against this park just to be against it. I have concerns. If this could be built and maintained without tax dollars then I say full speed ahead and damn the torpedo's. But all you've shown me here is you really don't have a clear vision how it's gonna be funded. We don't need pie-in-the-sky, we need beans on the table.
Oh and why couldn't you have answered my questions earlier in the thread instead of making this an exercise in futility?
The "almost" is included because IF any improvements beyond what the private entity is proposing to include in its work would have to be paid for by money from a different source .. and again - the plan is only in the conceptual stage .. it is difficult to give dollar figures until we have a more formal plan.
The overall park would be Passive Use .. but the river dockage, interpretative signage, access roadway and the possibility of a football/soccer field, river dockage, a community garden and/or any of several suggested additions to the park .. would still require some level of maintenance. There is also a plan to clean up and allow proper tourist viewing of the old Erie Canal lock in the Junction.
We are looking for ALL sources of funding private, state and federal --- and I will NOT rule out applying for and accepting state and federal grants .. because I see no good reason why we should let some OTHER community get the grant if we are eligible for it.
For the record ALL sources of grants and funding are being looked into -- including private grants.
The community center proposal is included in the Vision 2020 Town Parks and Recreation Plan and I was informed that it is possible to use the value of monetary donations and donations of service or land from one park project as the town's match for other park projects in the town. Thus if it is possible to leverage the value of donations to the maximum .. it is possible to fund at least part (if not all) of the community center as part of this umbrella "Vision 2020 Plan). A new community center is needed to replace the senior center and boys & girls club -- and that is also something that we hope to accomplish sometime in the next 9 years.
We do have a clear vision of how it will be funded --- the key thing is that it would be developed incrementally over a period of years and that no part of the plan would be implemented UNTIL the funding source(s) had been lined up. There is a logical progression .. step a .. then step b .. then step c .. etc.
It is quite possible that in 2020 only the hike/bike trails and parts of the master plan will be completed .. but that is ok .. because the goal is to build it as the funding becomes available.
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Ya still don't get it.........I really didn't think ya would............just think, if for the last 20yrs. all the thought, effort and planning that's gone into this project had been directed elsewhere...oh I don't know........like say finding creative ways to deal with rotting infrastructure etc. wouldn't that have been time better spent................start thinking outside the box.............if you really want this be creative, don't do what everyone else does
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