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Box A Rox
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Go back and read previous posts when Bush was passing the Tarp bill many on this site were against that too.


Then on a previous post you opposed Bush also... but not now.  Now it's all one way:

~ "The banks have made a fortune since Obama bailed them out " ~



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The statement was, many of the conservatives who post here were against the Bush tarp bailout as well as the Obama stimulus bill period, no spinning of the words to try to make your point. Bush isn't in office Obama is.
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The statement was, many of the conservatives who post here were against the Bush tarp bailout as well as the Obama stimulus bill period, no spinning of the words to try to make your point. Bush isn't in office Obama is.


Yea, Bush is long gone, and Obama is left cleaning up Bush's dirty diapers.  I blame Bushy for the Meltdown, but I now
blame Obama for being such a wussy and not pushing through a stronger Health Care bill and for not pushing a huge
jobs bill to get people back to work.

If I were Obama, I'd propose rolling back the tax rate for everyone to the Ronald Reagan (all Republicans bow your head)
rates.  Ronald Reagan raised taxes 6 of the 8 years he was in office.  He did that for a reason, even as he was pushing
his 'bogus trickle down' economics.

Millionaires became billionaires under the Reagan tax plan.  But they did so with out gutting the middle class or throwing
grandma's Social Security to the dogs.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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If I were Obama, I'd propose rolling back the tax rate for everyone to the Ronald Reagan (all Republicans bow your head)
rates.  Ronald Reagan raised taxes 6 of the 8 years he was in office.  He did that for a reason, even as he was pushing
his 'bogus trickle down' economics.


"Trickle Down economics" is STILL what America is practices.  It's called Keynesian or supply side economics, it's been going on in the Western world for decades.  AND GOVERNMENT LOVES IT.  It allowed government to grow along with the corporatocrasy on cheap borrowed money for somebody else to pay at some time in the future.  Well, guess what, that time has come and the future is here, they are just trying to figure out who will pick up the tab.  When you can't decide who is going to pay, you end up with the social unrest that is beginning in Greece and Italy.

Box, answer me this...If Greece, Italy and the other European nations have MUCH HIGHER TAXES than the U.S., AND socialized medicine, WHY IS THE EUROPEAN UNION CRUMBLING?  Because TAXATION HAS LITTLE TO DO WITH THE ECONOMIC CRISIS.  What do these European nations have in common?  Unsustainable DEBT.  


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“Witnessing the Republicans and the Democrats bicker over the U.S. debt is like watching two drunks argue over a bar bill on the Titanic.”__,_._,___
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they all eat at the same trough.......but NEITHER party can make a viable system that removes themselves from the F'EN EQUATION......what an F'EN JOKE.....the plebs may not have the rhetoric but they have the feeling and it's like a scorned
woman........BE CAREFUL...VERY VERY CAREFUL


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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This is perfect ,
We got the two wings left and right,
they guys in the middle (the ones who create the "money" by extracting life energy out of both wings ( the people))
pit the two sides against each other , much like the war of the early 1860's.
they hate each other.
The money guys fan the flames of chaos.
It is Government feeding on itself, it is an all consuming beast.
It is a black hole sucking everything into itself.
So we got the "government" run by money guys making rules for the money guys.
We dont need  the beast it needs us.
It thinks it owns us, and by our participation in its schemes like elections and taxes we give our consent and energy to it.
We think if we get "our guy" in ther all will be well according to us.
vote for the lesser of 2 evils ive heard
why vote for evil at all.
The beast is dying and it knows it.
notice on the TV "news" they said only 30 percent turnout in many of the local elections.
the lady in the interview said if ya dont vote dont complain?
LoL
of coures she has a government paid job...
So whats the point?
if the money guys do not get their way by payoffs by way of entitlements grants and all the other bs the money guys get the politicians to do
They will create havoc and chaos and blame it on Anarchy (which is their most dreaded enemy)
They will have people killing each other in the streets and then call in the uniformed thugs to kill some more
Thats one thing the wall street occupants are more than ready to do ,lets get it on is their attitude.
and over on the right we got the militia patriots ready to 'defend" their side
Anarchy is not chaos ,government is chaos.
Once government is out of the way most of the trouble goes with it.
What you dont trust yourself ?
You need government to tell you what to do?
You are smarter than you think.
"STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS"<~~~ (stole that off sender page)
Then the question is what exactly is an "American"
even that depends on who you ask
we may have to break it down even simpler than that
be a good Man
or be a good Woman
but then who will be in charge
ah thats the spooky part...
and gets to the heart of why we have government in the first place
since we killed off God there was no one running the show
we had to do something to replace him
so man created government in his own image
and we worship our creation
all the world wanders after the Beast and give it power to perform miricles
oh yeah back to the point
the point is the age of government is drawing to a close
its done ,finished
In the next age the government of God will be amoung men and They will re learn His ways
and there will be no more war
.But for now there is war and we are in it
we are in it for our own offspring
will we hand them over to be sacrificed to the black hole beast


We didnt come this far to get this far.
   random 12 year old


A slave is someone that waits for someone else to free him.
                    Ezra Pound
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So true.
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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Would Teddy bailed out the banks or given $500 million to an energy company?  


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Teddy might have because he was a progressive Republican, better known as a RINO.
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Teddy might have because he was a progressive Republican, better known as a RINO.


I love the term RINO, in today's context.  
By today's standards, most successful Republicans of the past would be considered RINOs.  
~ Reagan raised taxes in 6 of his 8 years as president...
~ Reagan's Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 granted amnesty to Illegals...
~ Our national debt rose from roughly $700 billion to $3 trillion during Reagan’s time in office...
~ Ronald Reagan helped facilitate the Savings and Loan crisis of the 80's and early 90's...
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Teddy might have because he was a progressive Republican, better known as a RINO.


I love the term RINO, in today's context.  
By today's standards, most successful Republicans of the past would be considered RINOs.  
~ Reagan raised taxes in 6 of his 8 years as president...
~ Reagan's Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 granted amnesty to Illegals...
~ Our national debt rose from roughly $700 billion to $3 trillion during Reagan’s time in office...
~ Ronald Reagan helped facilitate the Savings and Loan crisis of the 80's and early 90's...
~ And worst of all... The ultimate RINO trait... REAGAN COMPROMISED.

When you hear the term RINO today, it's always an accusation that a Republican isn't a total Right Wing Extremist...
and that's a good thing.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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You can get away with raising taxes when the economy is good and people/companies are working and have extra money but not with the present economic situation.
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You can get away with raising taxes when the economy is good and people/companies are working and have extra money but not with the present economic situation.


Unemployment under Reagan was over 10%, interest rates were through the roof... and Reagan was in the middle
of a huge "borrow and spend" spree for his military buildup.

Reagan was a RINO by today's TeaBagger standards.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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