Slave labor ended in this country... remember the US Civil war??? If you want to hire a kid (or anyone) then pay them a reasonable wage. Don't complain if you can't afford to hire them at 'slave wages', because they can't afford to live on 'slave wages'.
If you can't afford to pay minimum wage, then don't expect to hire someone for below minimum wages.
Yeah...The other alternative - they just won't work! GREAT IDEA!!!
Oh, btw...That slave labor part was funny. Welfare non-production is a MUCH BETTER alternative.
The millionaire CEO's want to throw a few coins to the lowest members of their staff, as they head out for dinner on their yacht. They don't pay taxes, and they don't want to pay their employees... What great people, these Conservatives! They make their wages on the backs of the middle class & poor.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Oh, are you talking about the CEO of ma and pa's corner convenient store? Or the CEO of any town USA bar and grill? God forbid they hired a 16 year old kid $5 under the table to wash dishes on a Saturday Night. The FED would bust down the door and lock up the owner for evading taxes.
Slave labor ended in this country... remember the US Civil war??? If you want to hire a kid (or anyone) then pay them a reasonable wage. Don't complain if you can't afford to hire them at 'slave wages', because they can't afford to live on 'slave wages'.
If you can't afford to pay minimum wage, then don't expect to hire someone for below minimum wages.
Who decides what a "resonable wage" is? I would think it would be the "kid." If s/he was doing work, and thought they should be getting paid more to do said work, they wouldn't take the job for a lower amount. That would mean it would be "unreasonable." The fact that someone would approve of paying a worker a certain amount, and that said worker would be willing to work for that said amount would, in my book, be a "reasonable wage."
Hey, Box. I found someone who agrees with you. I wonder what you think the minimum wage should be. This person thinks that $15 an hour should be good...for now. I find it quite interesting in this day of unions, that on Labor Day, this was published in the Times Union.
Minimum wage should be $15 Published 12:25 a.m., Monday, September 5, 2011
There are a number of things causing our economic problems. First and foremost is a minimum wage half of what it should be. Consequently, 43 million of us are living below the poverty level and tens of millions more close to it.
Not only are these people not consumers, they are receiving tens of billions of dollars in various aid programs, like food stamps.
A minimum wage of $15 an hour would mean higher prices, but those now receiving aid would no longer need it and would actually become taxpayers. A company like Walmart could pay $15 an hour and cover the expenses by raising prices by perhaps less than 3 percent.
Please do not tell me about unskilled entry-level jobs. In 1914, Henry Ford was paying his workers $2.34 for a nine-hour day. The was good pay, but most could not buy the cars they were producing, He raised their pay to $5 for an eight-hour day, the amount he said a man needed to earn to buy his car.
That concept caught on and millions of our grandfathers and fathers, unskilled and working in all sorts of factories, became part of a middle class. They could buy homes, take a vacation and send their children to college. That certainly was better than many with a college degree can do today.
Richard Berkun
Slingerlands
Just if you and Richard can get together and let me know, who was the governing official that turned around and mandated that Mr. Henry Ford raise his rates? Actually, it was a business decision that he made, as he saw the opportunity for selling more cars if he decided to pay his workers more.
Heard something interesting on the radio comparing the idea of people going to college for a degree lately. Do you know that it is more likely for a child of a divorced couple to get a college degree because of the fact that the child is expected to be priviledged with that, since they're part of a broken family? And this only occurs if the divorcing family is (generally) from a suburban community? It's because the judge thinks that's the only way the child will be able to make it in life. Funny, I thought people were supposed to go out and work at it, not have it just handed to them.
This is part of the more civility campaign Obama was talking about? It's only negative when it comes from the Conservatives. The funniest part was the pathetic DNC chairwoman on Fox. Debbie Schultz refused to answer if this vile language was appropriate in introducing the President. She repeats the same idiotic talking points like a robot. DEMS and their Big Labor contributors know that the party is over.
In my business I would probably only need to raise prices 25-30% (I don't know where this business genius gets his 3%) because I did some fast calculations. But no one I have working for me makes minimum and I refuse to hire anyone else right now. As I said earlier, anyone that is needed to do that kind of work is only worth about 5 bucks an hour- example: weed pulling, sweeping, hosing down the sidewalk, watering flowers, vacuuming, stocking some supplies. And honestly, they would probably fail at those tasks as well.
What a lot of people don't realize is that an employer pays SS, WC, UI, DBL on the total amount of wages. So if someone's wage goes from 12 to 15, it is not $3 more, it is about $3.50 more per hour. Some industries are very labor intensive. Handmade good are very labor intensive and that is why the Chinese slave population makes so many of our chotcskis. Artisanal goods are already going extinct, this would end the production of artisan and quality local products for all intensive purposes. You would have a few small scale mom and pops who have ZERO employees left making high priced items, but they would not really be able to grow by bring in simple production worker who start at that rate. They may have a few who work UP to that rate or more because of their productivity but no two workers are created equal when measuring productivity. Unions notwithstanding, no two people do the same amount of work per hour.
Inflationary would not be the word. I would certainly never hire another teenager ever again for seasonal help. But that is the mind of the "living in fantasy world" left wing progressively Communists.
I think what annoys me most is that the "state" attempts to intercede in the business dealings and negotiations of two people such that piecework and other means of increasing productivity are actually criminalized. The loss of economic freedom is what is scary, both for the worker and the employer. Of course liberals run around trying to make everything "fair" which in reality is impossible.
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
WOW............just imagine for a minute what would happen if that was PALIN who said..........'we're gonna take these sonofabitches out'? the liberal socialists obviously don't even follow 'their own' standards. Tooooo funny!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
#1, from the viewpoint of most working Americans, they are Sons A Bitches. #2, take em out... take em out to the curb with the rest of the garbage. So what's to disagree with???
Vile Language??? Really, those who find R Rated language (SOB) to be 'vile' might really be offended if they heard what their own party Vice President Dick (shoot em in the face) Cheney, said Rated X , to Sen. Patrick J. Leahy on the Senate floor... As I remember it, Cheney said... "Go Fu@& yourself" When asked about the incident, Cheney confirmed that he used the obscenity, saying, “I thought he merited it at the time”. What some people find to be 'vile' depends on which party is spewing the vile language. Republican Conservative 'the big Dick' Cheney thinks Go F yourself is appropriate, so how bad is SOB?
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
#1, from the viewpoint of most working Americans, they are Sons A Bitches. #2, take em out... take em out to the curb with the rest of the garbage. So what's to disagree with???
Vile Language??? Really, those who find R Rated language (SOB) to be 'vile' might really be offended if they heard what their own party Vice President Dick (shoot em in the face) Cheney, said Rated X , to Sen. Patrick J. Leahy on the Senate floor... As I remember it, Cheney said... "Go Fu@& yourself" When asked about the incident, Cheney confirmed that he used the obscenity, saying, “I thought he merited it at the time”. What some people find to be 'vile' depends on which party is spewing the vile language. Republican Conservative 'the big Dick' Cheney thinks Go F yourself is appropriate, so how bad is SOB?
This difference is box; Biden and Hoffa were inciting a crowd for a political purpose. This wasn't just "vile" language, this was inflammatory language used to stir emotions in order to persuade action. And in in both cases, they are trying to incite VIOLENT action against fellow Americans.
dividing americans..............that is what liberal socialist progressives do best. If they ain't playin' the race card, they will find something to divide!!!
And again.........vile language is not allowed according to the liberal socialist. It's 'their rule'.....and yet they break it daily!! toooooo funny to watch!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
This difference is box; Biden and Hoffa were inciting a crowd for a political purpose. This wasn't just "vile" language, this was inflammatory language used to stir emotions in order to persuade action. And in the case of Hoffa, he was trying to incite VIOLENT action against fellow Americans.
Do you see the difference box?
Take em out? With the rest of the garbage... I agree. And none too soon. The war for the American working class is ongoing, this is just one battle of US Working Americans, against US Corporations. The Democrats back the American workers, the Republicans as always, back the Corporations.
I know who's side I'm on.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Hoffa on Tuesday stood by his comments in the rally, saying in his press release that “we didn’t start this war - the right wing did. My comments on Labor Day in Detroit echo the anger and frustration of American workers who are under attack by corporate-funded politicians who want to destroy the middle class.”
“I will never apologize for standing up for my fellow Teamsters and all American workers,” he added. The International Brother of Teamsters slammed conservative - what they termed “anti-worker” - media for supposedly editing Hoffa’s Labor Day remarks to suggest that Hoffa was inciting violence against members of Tea Party organizations. (Politico) http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/62795.html#ixzz1XIDUUf4p
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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This is part of the more civility campaign Obama was talking about? It's only negative when it comes from the Conservatives. The funniest part was the pathetic DNC chairwoman on Fox. Debbie Schultz refused to answer if this vile language was appropriate in introducing the President. She repeats the same idiotic talking points like a robot. DEMS and their Big Labor contributors know that the party is over. 
