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Is Masonic symbolism considered "religious"?  What makes religion symbolism any different than other symbolism of any other organization?    What's the difference between a cult and a religion - how widely it is recognized?  Next thing you know, if the tea party movement continues to grow, images and words the founding fathers will be banned from public places since they have what will be considered a fanatical cult like following, and deemed a threat to the nation.  

It is only a matter of time; a radical left wing artist will create a picture of Thomas Jefferson with elephant feces all over it, and will be displayed at the Smithsonian as fine art.


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The kkk represented a 'race'....white! They were pure racists radicals in their actions. Muslims are not racist radicals.

Both were terrorists and both used terror tactics.  Both are primarily made up of one religion.  The Muslim faith has as much to do with Al Qaeda, as the Christian faith has to do with the KKK.



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Is Masonic symbolism considered "religious"?  What makes religion symbolism any different than other symbolism of any other organization?  

It is only a matter of time; a radical left wing artist will create a picture of Thomas Jefferson with elephant feces all over it, and will be displayed at the Smithsonian as fine art.


I would object to a Masonic symbol displayed at the Sept11th memorial also... As well as the Star & Crescent, the Star of David, The Moose Lodge symbol, The Red Cross... etc.
A cross is not the symbol of the Sept 11th attacks, or has much of anything to do with the people of all faiths who died there.  Why make a museum dedicated to commemorate their death into a religious symbol war.  

(Some Christians will break laws and offend everyone just  to force their religion on others)

We are all thankful that Cicero isn't in charge of 'fine art' at the Smithsonian!



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Both were terrorists and both used terror tactics.  Both are primarily made up of one religion.  The Muslim faith has as much to do with Al Qaeda, as the Christian faith has to do with the KKK.


I agree that a group and or individual can 'terrorize' their victim/s and be labeled a 'terrorist'.
However, their motives that drive them are usually quite different in nature.
The kkk was driven by racism in general and white supremacy particularly.

A man can stalk/terrorize his x-wife and be labeled a terrorist.
Sex offenders who stalk/terrorize kids on a playground can also be labeled a terrorist.
Kids bullying/terrorizing other kids can be labeled a terrorist.
Road rage is the end result of being terrorized by another driver who can be labeled a terrorist.
Anti-abortionists can be labeled terrorists, when confronting abortionists and those who seek the service.
Anyone or any group who 'terrorizes/frightens' a person or group can be labeled a terrorist.


The word 'terrorist' needs to be used with caution.
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a  person,  usually  a  member  of  a  group,  who uses  or  advocates  terrorism.
a person who terrorizes  or frightens others.


My son was a 'HOLY TERROR' when he was a youngster!!! OMG!

It's just another term lawyers can use to present their case................in some cases!!


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This is a great read on the topic of religion and the constitution
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_reli.html

The 1st amendment of the constitution says ONLY this about religion
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

Its the politicians and judges over the years that have bastardized this part of the amendment to disallow ANY religious expression in Government buildings, etc. Most people believe the phrase "separation of church and state" appears in the constitution.... it does not. Thomas Jefferson originated that phrase, but he did not write the constitution.


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I agree that a group and or individual can 'terrorize' their victim/s and be labeled a 'terrorist'.
However, their motives that drive them are usually quite different in nature.
The kkk was driven by racism in general and white supremacy particularly.


~ "The kkk was driven by racism in general and white supremacy particularly" ~  Their motives were racial, but their religion was Christian.  
Al Qaeda was driven by political issues.  Their motives were political, but their religion was Muslim.

Calling Al Qaeda terrorists "Muslim Terrorists" is like calling KKK Terrorists "Christian Terrorists".  



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~ "The kkk was driven by racism in general and white supremacy particularly" ~  Their motives were racial, but their religion was Christian.  
Al Qaeda was driven by political issues.  Their motives were political, but their religion was Muslim.

Calling Al Qaeda terrorists "Muslim Terrorists" is like calling KKK Terrorists "Christian Terrorists".  



A Muslim terrorist groups main goal is the establishment of a fundamentalist Islamic state.
The Taliban would qualify as that, Hamas and Al Qaeda would not.


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Calling Al Qaeda terrorists "Muslim Terrorists" is like calling KKK Terrorists "Christian Terrorists".  



They were!!! Hell....they thought the first klansman was Jesus!!! They were 'self proclaimed' Christians.


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They were!!! Hell....they thought the first klansman was Jesus!!! They were 'self proclaimed' Christians.


We keep agreeing Bumble...
Al Qaeda terrorists are Muslims.
KKK terrorists are Christians...
but their religion is irrelevant.  They are motivated by politics and by racism.

I agree with Tbird though that the Taliban may be 'Muslim Terrorists' motivated by religion, just as Abortion bombers are 'Christian Terrorists'.


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We keep agreeing Bumble...
Al Qaeda terrorists are Muslims.
KKK terrorists are Christians...
but their religion is irrelevant.  They are motivated by politics and by racism.


I agree......but.............
They are motivated by politics and by racism..................and religion and culture!


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In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


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I agree......but.............
They are motivated by politics and by racism..................and religion and culture!


If Al Qaeda were Christians, they would feel the same about America.  Like the Irish Republican Army in Ireland, Religion drew the lines, but the war was anything but religious... the war with both the IRA and with Al Qaeda is politically motivated... Religious differences is only an excuse.  
In both cases, take away the politics and the war ends... take away the religion and the war continues.



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