A Michigan militia Right Wing Terrorist cell, the kind that Cicero thinks don't exist and have nothing to do with terrorism. Cicero has a right to his opinion and the FBI has a right to their Professional Opinion.l
I'm agreeing with you Box. I've already written my letter to Obama, urging him to begin flying predator drone over Michigan and launch air strikes on these right wing extremists camps. I'm on board with ya box. I watch that video box, and I've come to the realization that these militant anti-government Christians need to be bombed and detain in Gitmo. They are a threat to American progressivism.
Hey box, did you hear these crazy tea party people? These home grown "terrorists"(as Biden would call them) didn't want to spend America $2.4 trillion further into debt. THEY'RE MANIACS!!! THEY MUST BE STOPPED!! And if linking all tea party supporters to random acts of violence and and equating them to Al Qaeda terrorist, so be it. They must be marginalized and deemed irrelevant. We need an American Spring, just like Al Gore called for. This limited government movement must be stopped. Bureaucrats everywhere depend on it.
I'm glad you're on the right trail Cicero. The FBI and Homeland Security are already aware of TeaBaggers in armed militias in the USA.
Here's the George Worst Bush authorized study & report concerning Right Wing Extremism and Terrorism in the USA from Homeland Security issued in April 2009. Since then, repeated attacks by Right Wing terror groups have proven the warning to be accurate.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
What I would like to see box is; I would like to see, what if fueling this right wing extremism. Just like after 9-11, liberals were quick to examine what America did to incite Muslim radicalism. And liberals from all walks of life could not contain their blame America first conclusion. I pose this question to you box...What American policies do you think is inciting this so-called right wing radicalism?
What I would like to see box is; I would like to see, what if fueling this right wing extremism. Just like after 9-11, liberals were quick to examine what America did to incite Muslim radicalism. And liberals from all walks of life could not contain their blame America first conclusion. I pose this question to you box...What American policies do you think is inciting this so-called right wing radicalism?
My opinion... There are Americans that will never accept that a black man is their president. Not very complicated, and disguised as Tax issues or Socialism issues. The system is not much different than when Bill Clinton was in office. Most Americans now pay less in tax than they did under Clinton, so a tax protest doesn't make sense. What's different??? Clinton and Bush were white... Obama is black.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
My opinion... There are Americans that will never accept that a black man is their president. Not very complicated, and disguised as Tax issues or Socialism issues. The system is not much different than when Bill Clinton was in office. Most Americans now pay less in tax than they did under Clinton, so a tax protest doesn't make sense. What's different??? Clinton and Bush were white... Obama is black.
That is rich box. So you are saying America is under attack from right wing Christian racists, who want to reduce government spending and supposedly want blow up government buildings because they are racists? Box, we've jousted back and for for nearly a year now, and I can't even believe you believe your answer.
Economies are beginning to collapse around the world. Most of these collapsing economies are in nations that fund their government with massive amounts of debt. Yet, Americans that are concerned about this, are not concerned because of the economic reality of the collapse of these economies, it's because they are racists.
My God...I can't believe some people are starting to believe the left wing demagoguery.
That is rich box. So you are saying America is under attack from right wing Christian racists, who want to reduce government spending and supposedly want blow up government buildings because they are racists? Box, we've jousted back and for for nearly a year now, and I can't even believe you believe your answer.
Nope, I think that there are crazies that want to pay NO TAX... they claim that taxes are Unconstitutional. They will kill you for their ideas. I think that there are right wing Christians that believe it's a good thing to kill abortion doctors. They will kill you and think they did the moral thing. I think that there are racists... skin heads, Nazis, leftover KKK etc, that will kill you for racist ideals and values. I think that there are TeaBaggers who are so extreme that they actually want to bring a total economic collapse, because they think it will end with a system that fits their agenda. I think that there are crazies who want to bring on a race war in this country... they believe in White power and will kill you for that idea. I also think that some of these groups are intermingled... using each other or together for some common beliefs, and along with militias who don't accept the authority of the federal government and will kill you for that value.
Together they make a formidable group... but don't take my word for it. I'm just one man with an opinion. Read the Report from The Dept of Homeland Security that George Worst Bush ordered.
Read what the FBI & Homeland Security thinks. In many ways, my opinion is the same as theirs.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Wow that DHS memo is a joke. So according to them only right wing people are effected and angry about the economic disaster our government put us through. Oh and also conservatives might get angry when a weapon ban or regulations come up which violates the 2nd amendment
Doesn't it seem funny everything they say may set some off is because it is either unconstitutional or it is a failure of the government doing their job They could have put that memo into one sentence "A out of control abusive government may cause blowback."
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Wow that DHS memo is a joke. So according to them only right wing people are effected and angry about the economic disaster our government put us through. Oh and also conservatives might get angry when a weapon ban or regulations come up which violates the 2nd amendment
No Henry... Democrats as well as Republicans are "angry about the Bush Economic Meltdown". All Americans are suffering in this economic disaster. And both parties are angry about how our government handles the weapons problem in this country, some for the opposite reasons. BUT What the Bush study showed, isn't that someone might be angry, or some one is upset... but that there are groups out there who today are planning terrorist attacks on America. You can believe it or not, but it's happening right now. The election of a black man pushed some of these groups to action. Others were motivated by their own paranoia. At one time in our history the Left had a similar problem. The "weather underground", the SLA, The Black Panthers... and many more... I'm sure you don't deny their existence. The Righties on this board have no problem pointing to Bill Ayres and calling him a terrorist of the Left. But when it's from the Right... all of a sudden it's... "What? US? NOOOOOO! No terrorists here!!!" If a group of Left winger Muslims were plotting to kill Pro-Life Christian ... You'd recognize them as terrorists. But If a group of Right Winger Christians were plotting to kill Pro-Choice Planned Parenthood Doctors, you suddenly look at it as some aeration... An isolated indecent... not terrorism at all.
It's called "Right Wing Selective Outrage".
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Read what the FBI & Homeland Security thinks. In many ways, my opinion is the same as theirs.
I did read it. It also makes a claim to left wing extremists and cyber attacks. I wouldn't equate American left wing organizations like Green Peace or PETA or left wing anarchist to Muslim terrorist organizations like Al Qaeda either.
My opinion why Americans are getting agitated is this; there are many Americas that worked hard and saved and invested their money and played by the rules their whole life. Now they see an out of control federal government running up a $14 Trillion debt with no end in sight. People are getting angry watching our government spend billions on foreign wars, corporate and social welfare, running up this unsustainable debt to pay for it all. Americans are now watching. They watched GE pay zero income tax, while Immelt serves as an Obama advisor. Americans are waking up to the corporatism that is going on in both party establishments, and in the end, they know if they don’t do something, the working class is going to get screwed. The average American cannot pay for lobbyists so they haven’t been represented in Washington for decades.
The people who did it the right way their whole life is tired of watching everything they worked for disappear. While Michelle Obama is globetrotting around the world with her entourage and Barack is celebrating his birthday by inviting his wealthiest donors at price tag of $36K, the average American is struggling to make their next mortgage payment. So no, this new dissention in America isn't racially motivated, but rather economically motivated.
This “tea party” movement all began with the Bush bailout of the banks and the overt corporatism/fascism.
YUP! Bush is white. Race isn't the only motivator of these terrorists, but it's a large one. The report of Right Wing hate stems from Obama's successful campaign and election in 2008 and taking office in 2009.
So... For your view to prevail... the FBI is really a Left Wing group with a socialist agenda right??? And they had this left wing agenda all the while GWB was president, since they compiled this report under the Bush reign.
The next time a Right Wing idiot, fueled by TeaBagger rhetoric shoots someone, you will once again say it's an "isolated incident" and pretend it's just a 'random act' of violence. It's called "Right Wing Denial".
Denial is a defense mechanism in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The united states is facing the same decline as the European 'entitlement' countries. They are now realizing that 'government entitlement' programs are unsustainable. These entitlement programs have only made the rich richer, the poor poorer and the middle class smaller.
The government system, be it republican or democrat, has failed. Entitlements have to be cut. It is shameful to read that the European countries have already figured that out while the united states is still trying to hang on.......by a thread!
And I personally don't care who or what party is to blame, cause there is clearly enough blame to go around. The fact of the matter is....TODAY we are facing a debt crisis that has been at least 1/2 century in the making.
It's time to bring our troops home from 'non threatening' countries, cut entitlements, lower taxes, drill baby drill, abolish the fed and create a simple flat tax with no loopholes.
VOTE RON PAUL!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Box, I don't know if it is your reading comprehension or if it's just too early in the morning for you.
Would you consider shooting spree committed by a member of one of the organizations in bold listed below as an act of terrorism on the same level of Muslim acts of terrorism that have been perpetrated by Al Qaeda? I'll give you my answer in advance - NO!
If a member of any of the organizations list below were at a Barack Obama political rally, can I then call Obama supporters eco-terrorists? Is that fair to say there are extreme Obama supporters.
Animal Liberation Front (ALF) The Earth Liberation Front (ELF), Greenpeace, Sea Shepherd Conservation Society Earth First The Coalition to Save the Preserves. Hardesty Avengers
Oh... And let’s not forget the left wing terrorist, the Uni Bomber Ted Kaczynski
Box is cute when he plays this game. I enjoy playing along.
Box is cute when he plays this game. I enjoy playing along.
You aren't playing my game Cicero... Your argument isn't with me... It's with the Office of Homeland Security and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
I only offer my opinion... they offer facts... while you offer opinions. I read their report and agree with it. It's difficult to disagree with a report that has been proven every time you pick up a paper and read about the latest attack. Don't waste your time discussing this subject with me... it's the FBI & Homeland Security that you need to convince. Tell them that they are wrong and maybe they will play your game. I'm sure they will be interested in your data that backs up your opinion.
For the sake of our countries safety... don't hold back... call them right away and straighten them out on the real terrorists.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
You aren't playing my game Cicero... Your argument isn't with me... It's with the Office of Homeland Security and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
I only offer my opinion... they offer facts... while you offer opinions. I read their report and agree with it. It's difficult to disagree with a report that has been proven every time you pick up a paper and read about the latest attack. Don't waste your time discussing this subject with me... it's the FBI & Homeland Security that you need to convince. Tell them that they are wrong and maybe they will play your game. I'm sure they will be interested in your data that backs up your opinion.
For the sake of our countries safety... don't hold back... call them right away and straighten them out on the real terrorists.
Box, your dishonesty is when you try to link these reports to people in the Tea Party. That's the game you play. You take out the broad brush and piece together a hodgepodge of information in order to demagogue conservative Americans that want to reduce government spending.
What you attempt to do in your arguments is called sophism Box. You and Obama are pretty darn good at it.
What you attempt to do in your arguments is called sophism Box. You and Obama are pretty darn good at it. And many unsuspecting Americans are susceptible to sophists like you and Mr. Obama. But I am beginning to believe Americans are wising up to it.
Yea, it's me and Obama against America. Read the part about "denial" once more.
Denial is a defense mechanism in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence.
So now it's Me and Obama and the FBI and The Dept of Homeland Security... all of us teaming up against the good people of America.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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They could have put that memo into one sentence "A out of control abusive government may cause blowback."
