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Five Reasons Why Christians Should Not
Obtain a State Marriage License

by Pastor Matt Trewhella

Every year thousands of Christians amble down to their local county courthouse and obtain a marriage license from the State in order to marry their future spouse. They do this unquestioningly. They do it because their pastor has told them to go get one, and besides, “everybody else gets one.” This pamphlet attempts to answer the question—why shouldn’t we go get one?

1. The definition of a “license” demands that we not obtain one to marry. Black’s Law Dictionary defines “license” as, “The permission by competent authority to do an act which without such permission, would be illegal.” Why should it be illegal to marry without the State’s permission? Why should we need the State’s permission to participate in something which God instituted (Gen. 2:18-24)? We should not need the State’s permission to marry nor should we grovel before state officials to seek it. What if you apply and the State says “no.” You must understand that the authority to license implies the power to prohibit. A license by definition “confers a right” to do something. The State cannot grant the right to marry. It is a God-given right.

2. When you marry with a marriage license, you grant the State jurisdiction over your marriage. When you marry with a marriage license, your marriage is a creature of the State. It is a corporation of the State! Therefore, they have jurisdiction over your marriage including the fruit of your marriage. What is the fruit of your marriage? Your children and every piece of property you own. There is plenty of case law in American jurisprudence which declares this to be true.

In 1993, parents were upset here in Wisconsin because a test was being administered to their children in the government schools which was very invasive of the family’s privacy. When parents complained, they were shocked by the school bureaucrats who informed them that their children were required to take the test by law and that they would have to take the test because they (the government school) had jurisdiction over their children. When parents asked the bureaucrats what gave them jurisdiction, the bureaucrats answered, “your marriage license and their birth certificates.” Judicially, and in increasing fashion, practically, your state marriage license has far-reaching implications.

3. When you marry with a marriage license, you place yourself under a body of law which is immoral. By obtaining a marriage license, you place yourself under the jurisdiction of Family Court which is governed by unbiblical, immoral laws. Under these laws, you can divorce for any reason. Often, the courts side with the spouse who is in rebellion to God, and castigates the spouse who remains faithful by ordering him or her not to speak about the Bible or other matters of faith when present with the children.

As a minister, I cannot in good conscience perform a marriage which would place people under this immoral body of laws. I also cannot marry someone with a marriage license because to do so I have to act as an agent of the State—literally! I would have to sign the marriage license, and I would have to mail it into the State. Given the State’s demand to usurp the place of God and family regarding marriage, and given it’s unbiblical, immoral laws to govern marriage, it would be an act of idolatry for me to do so.

4. The marriage license invades and removes God-given parental authority. When you read the Bible, you see that God intended for children to have their father’s blessing regarding whom they married. Daughters were to be given in marriage by their fathers (Dt. 22:16; Ex. 22:17; I Cor. 7:3. We have a vestige of this in our culture today in that the father takes his daughter to the front of the altar and the minister asks, “Who gives this woman to be married to this man?”

Historically, there was no requirement to obtain a marriage license in colonial America. When you read the laws of the colonies and then the states, you see only two requirements for marriage. First, you had to obtain your parents permission to marry, and second, you had to post public notice of the marriage 5-15 days before the ceremony.

Notice you had to obtain your parents permission. Back then you saw godly government displayed in that the State recognized the parent’s authority by demanding that the parents permission be obtained. Today, the all-encompassing ungodly State demands that their permission be obtained to marry.

By issuing marriage licenses, the State is saying, “You don’t need your parents permission, you need our permission.” If parents are opposed to their child’s marrying of a certain person and refuse to give their permission, the child can do an end run around the parent’s authority by obtaining the State’s permission, and marry anyway. This is an invasion and removal of God-given parental authority by the State.

5. When you marry with a marriage license, you are literally a polygamist. From the State’s point of view, when you marry with a marriage license, you are not just marrying your spouse, but you are also marrying the State. Though many doubt you when you say this, nevertheless, it is true.

The most blatant declaration of this fact that I have ever found is a brochure entitled “With This Ring I Thee Wed.” It is found in county courthouses across Ohio where people go to obtain their marriage licenses. It is published by the Ohio State Bar Association. The opening paragraph under the subtitle “Marriage Vows” states, “Actually, when you repeat your marriage vows you enter into a legal contract. There are three parties to that contract. 1.You; 2. Your husband or wife, as the case may be; and 3. the State of Ohio.”

See, the State knows, the lawyers know, that when you marry with a marriage license, you are not just marrying your spouse, you are marrying the State! You are a polygamist! You are not just making a vow to God and your spouse, but you are making a vow to the State, and you are giving undue jurisdiction to the State.

When Does the State Have Jurisdiction Over a Marriage?
God intended the State to have jurisdiction over a marriage for two reasons—1). in the case of divorce, and 2). when crimes are committed i.e., adultery, bigamy. etc. Unfortunately, the State now allows divorce for any reason, and it doesn’t prosecute for adultery.

In either case, divorce or crime, a marriage license is not necessary for the courts to determine whether a marriage existed or not. What is needed are witnesses, and that is why witnesses should be recorded both on the marriage certificate itself and by keeping the wedding day guest book.

Marriage was instituted by God, therefore it is a God-given right. According to Scripture, it is to be governed by the family, and the State only has jurisdiction in the cases of divorce or crime.

History of Marriage Licenses in America
George Washington was married without a marriage license. Abraham Lincoln was married without a marriage license. So, how did we come to this place in America where marriage licenses are issued?

Historically, all the states in America had laws outlawing the marriage of blacks and whites. In the mid-1800’s, certain states began allowing interracial marriages or miscegenation as long as those marrying received a license from the state. In other words they had to receive permission to do an act which without such permission would be illegal.

Blacks Law Dictionary points to this historical fact when it defines “marriage license” as, “A license or permission granted by public authority to persons who intend to intermarry.” “Intermarry” is defined in Black’s Law Dictionary as, “Miscegenation; mixed or interracial marriages.”

Give the State an inch and they’ll take a 100 miles (or as one elderly woman once said to me “10,000 miles.”) Not long after these licenses were issued, some states began requiring all people who marry to obtain a marriage license. In 1923, the Federal Government established the Uniform Marriage and Marriage License Act (they later established the Uniform Marriage and Divorce Act). By 1929, every state in the Union had adopted marriage license laws.

What Should We Do?
Christian couples should not be marrying with State marriage licenses, nor should ministers be marrying people with State marriage licenses. Some have said to me, “If someone is married without a marriage license, then they aren’t really married.” Given the fact that states may soon legalize same-sex marriages, we need to ask ourselves, “If a man and a man marry with a State marriage license, and a man and woman marry without a State marriage license—who’s really married? Is it the two men with a marriage license, or the man and woman without a marriage license?” In reality, this contention that one is not really married unless they obtain a marriage license just reveals how Statist we have become in our thinking. We need to think biblically.

You should not have to obtain a license from the State to marry someone anymore than you should have to obtain a license from the State to be a parent, which some in academic and legislative circles are currently pushing to be made law.

When I marry a couple, I always buy them a Family Bible which contains birth and death records, and a marriage certificate. We record the marriage in the Family Bible. What’s recorded in a Family Bible will stand up as a legally binding document in any court of law in America. Both George Washington and Abraham Lincoln were married without a marriage license. They simply recorded their marriage in their Family Bibles. So should we.




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I actually agree with with most of what is written in that article.


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

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The primary reason for a Marriage License in NY State:
~ is to protect children from being married while underage...
~ to prevent incest...
~ to provide evidence that one partner is not already married.

What are the age and consent requirements for minors?
    If either applicant is under 14 years of age, a marriage license cannot be issued.
    If either applicant is 14 or 15 years of age, such applicant(s) must present the written consent of both parents and a justice of the Supreme Court or a judge of the Family Court having jurisdiction over the town or city in which the application is made.
    If either applicant is 16 or 17 years of age, such applicant(s) must present the written consent of both parents.
    If both applicants are 18 years of age or older, no consents are required.

Familial Restrictions
A marriage may not take place in New York State between an ancestor and descendant, a brother and sister (full or half blood), an uncle and niece or an aunt and nephew, regardless of whether or not these persons are legitimate or illegitimate offspring.

Previous Marriages
Information regarding previous marriages must be furnished in the application for a marriage license. This includes whether the former spouse or spouses are living, and whether the applicants are divorced and, if so, when, where and against whom the divorce or divorces were granted. A certified copy of the Decree of Divorce or a Certificate of Dissolution of Marriage may be required by the clerk issuing the marriage license.


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Well basically -- New York State's new definition of marriage flies in the face of Natural Law ... so IMHO a New York State marriage license is worth less than a piece of toilet paper.


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

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The primary reason for a Marriage License in NY State:
~ is to protect children from being married while underage...
~ to prevent incest...
~ to provide evidence that one partner is not already married.

What are the age and consent requirements for minors?
    If either applicant is under 14 years of age, a marriage license cannot be issued.
    If either applicant is 14 or 15 years of age, such applicant(s) must present the written consent of both parents and a justice of the Supreme Court or a judge of the Family Court having jurisdiction over the town or city in which the application is made.
    If either applicant is 16 or 17 years of age, such applicant(s) must present the written consent of both parents.
    If both applicants are 18 years of age or older, no consents are required.

Familial Restrictions
A marriage may not take place in New York State between an ancestor and descendant, a brother and sister (full or half blood), an uncle and niece or an aunt and nephew, regardless of whether or not these persons are legitimate or illegitimate offspring.

Previous Marriages
Information regarding previous marriages must be furnished in the application for a marriage license. This includes whether the former spouse or spouses are living, and whether the applicants are divorced and, if so, when, where and against whom the divorce or divorces were granted. A certified copy of the Decree of Divorce or a Certificate of Dissolution of Marriage may be required by the clerk issuing the marriage license.


And thank goodness they did...With the divorce rate - next to nothing...Teen and preteen pregnancy - non-existant...Non married promiscuity - zilch...Incest - eradicated...I'd have to say state marriage licensing is pretty much as successful as all government regulation.


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Cicero must be OK with children getting married with out even a parents consent...
~ with brothers marrying sisters or moms marrying sons...
~ with no legal impediment for bigamy.

However most New Yorkers support these laws.


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Cicero must be OK with children getting married with out even a parents consent...
~ with brothers marrying sisters or moms marrying sons...
~ with no legal impediment for bigamy.

However most New Yorkers support these laws.


Why must I be OK with children getting married without parents consent???  How do you pull this $hit out of thin air?  Maybe you're too dense to understand...PEOPLE DO THESE THINGS THAT LICENSING IS DESIGNED TO PROHIBIT, BY NOT ENTERING INTO A MARRIAGE.  Does Hugh Hefner practice polygamy? Or since he never sought out a state license, his multiple live in "girlfriends" is not recognized as illegal.  How about the teens screwing like jackrabbits and the explosion of teenage single moms? How are your state licenses doing to address that?  But hey, thank god they're only casually screwing and not getting married.  Right Box?

Heterosexuals that thought a state marriage license meant anything before, should now understand that it's just a political tool of the state.  Like DV said, a NYS marriage license may as well be written on toilet paper.



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Why must I be OK with children getting married without parents consent???  How do you pull this $hit out of thin air?  Maybe you're too dense to understand...PEOPLE DO THESE THINGS THAT LICENSING IS DESIGNED TO PROHIBIT, BY NOT ENTERING INTO A MARRIAGE.  Does Hugh Hefner practice polygamy? Or since he never sought out a state license, his multiple live in "girlfriends" is not recognized as illegal.  How about the teens screwing like jackrabbits and the explosion of teenage single moms? How are your state licenses doing to address that?  But hey, thank god they're only casually screwing and not getting married.  Right Box?

Heterosexuals that thought a state marriage license meant anything before, should now understand that it's just a political tool of the state.  Like DV said, a NYS marriage license may as well be written on toilet paper.



Isn't Cicero cute when he's in a rage!!!  
He reminds me of Yosemite Sam!





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The government should not be involved in marriage end of story.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Isn't Cicero cute when he's in a rage!!!  
He reminds me of Yosemite Sam!





Another GREAT example of Alinsky's rules for radicals - Rule #5.  Good Job Box...You even used imagery this time.  

Isn't Box cute when he avoids the argument and goes directly to ridicule?  Avoid addressing the message and attack the messenger.


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Another GREAT example of Alinsky's rules for radicals - Rule #5.  Good Job Box...You even used imagery this time.  
Isn't Box cute when he avoids the argument and goes directly to ridicule?  Avoid addressing the message and attack the messenger.


I've read "Alinsky's rules for radicals" once I think, when I saw them referred to in a post.  
Cicero seems to be an expert on Alinsky... even knows their rules by heart.

I wonder if Alinsky has anything to say about a sense of humor???
If so, Cicero hasn't read that rule.



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The government should not be involved in marriage end of story.


Where do you get your divorce ?


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I've read "Alinsky's rules for radicals" once I think, when I saw them referred to in a post.  


I'm pretty sure you keep it under your pillow and read it every night before bed.


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Where do you get your divorce ?


A simple contract between the two parties should be able to finalize a divorce. Problems that arise from a divorce like custody, property, etc can be handled through a court as usual.



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A simple contract between the two parties should be able to finalize a divorce. Problems that arise from a divorce like custody, property, etc can be handled through a court as usual.



Divorce is much Much  more complicated than marriage -


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