Should Congress DECLARE WAR and have a clearly stated objective in actions similar to Vietnam?
Congress has only "declared war" 5 times in US History. The war of 1812 The Mexican American war The Spanish American war WW1 WW2.
There have been 12 Military engagements authorized by Congress, including Vietnam, Lebanon, The Gulf Wa, Afghanistan and Iraq.
There have been 7 Military engagements authorized by United Nations Security Council Resolutions and funded by Congress, including Korea, Bosnia and Libya.
A declaration of war is a formal declaration issued by a national government indicating that a state of war exists between that nation and another. For the United States, Article One, Section Eight of the Constitution says "Congress shall have power to ... declare War". However, that passage provides no specific format for what form legislation must have in order to be considered a "Declaration of War" nor does the Constitution itself use this term. A "declaration of war could be construed as a Formal Document, or as little as Congress authorizing funds to pay for a military incursion. IMO and the opinion of many Constitutional experts, the mere act of Congress authorizing military funding, satisfies the Constitution's intent of "declaration of war".
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
IMO and the opinion of many Constitutional experts, the mere act of Congress authorizing military funding, satisfies the Constitution's intent of "declaration of war".
Do you believe that it is good governance and the intent of the Constitution to allow a President to engage our military in combat THEN put the Congress in the precarious position of funding or defunding the troops after the fact? Democrats could have put forward legislation to defund the Iraq war after they supposedly learned that they were 'misled'. But they didn't...You're quite politically astute, I'm sure you can figure out why.
I see very little similarities between Vietnam and Libya.
For any action similar to Vietnam, congress should approve (which they did with the Gulf Of Tonkin Amendment). Congress approved action in Iraq, but had they had access to all pertinent information, congress would have not authorized the Iraq war.
If congress had all the information on the Gulf of Tonkin incident maybe we wouldn't have been in that war either. The one ship did come under attack but not unprovoked, the Maddox was helping Laotian jets find targets. A couple days later a report came in that a 2nd attack took place but to find out afterwards it never happened, the president used it any ways to justify the war.
Now Obama is bombing Libya because of an uprising by some unknown rebels. Sorry but who are these rebels and where is the threat to us, why are we putting our soldiers lives at risk and wasting our treasure there. Why did this happen without the consent of congress, only a handful of our representatives were warned of this the same day we begun operations there.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
A war under the command of a liberal is considered a 'just war'............anyone else it's called 'unconstitutional'. Meanwhile, our men and women in uniform are dying!! Unbelievable!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Lets see... How do I put this??? OK... I got it... JUST BLAME BUSH!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
A war under the command of a liberal is considered a 'just war'............anyone else it's called 'unconstitutional'. Meanwhile, our men and women in uniform are dying!! Unbelievable!!
Bumble, you just open your mouth and BS like this falls out.
Some people oppose all wars, and many of them are liberals. But... The first Gulf War with Daddy Bush was supported by many on the Left as a Justified War. My only reservation about that conflict was it's end... I was afraid the War Monger Conservatives like Cheney would push for a total destruction and invasion of Iraq. Other than that, I supported Daddy Bush.
Note: It's too bad Daddy Bush couldn't have put his son in Iraq then piloting a jet on a few hot missions. He would have learned a lot more than he did in offshore racer boats, cocaine, and the Bars of New Orleans.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
. I was afraid the War Monger Conservatives like Cheney would push for a total destruction and invasion of Iraq. Other than that, I supported Daddy Bush.
Here is a video you might find interesting, maybe he should have took his own advice later on.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Exactly Henry... In just a few years Cheney flipped... and the reason wasn't WMD's Or an evil dictator... the reason was OIL!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
We should have just went into Iraq because Saddam was gassing his own people...It seems like the golden ticket for selling war to Democrats. Worked in Bosnia and Libya. Well except for Syria, Obama and the UN Security Council doesn't really care about Syrian "rebellions" and the violent government crackdown in response.
We should have just went into Iraq because Saddam was gassing his own people...It seems like the golden ticket for selling war to Democrats. Worked in Bosnia and Libya. Well except for Syria, Obama and the UN Security Council doesn't really care about Syrian "rebellions" and the violent government crackdown in response.
How much oil does Syria have?
Cic, before you go discussing Saddam gassing his own people... ask where he got the gas??? Why not go to the source... Speaking of Dick Cheney
Here's a hint... the USA sold/gave Saddam gas technology and chemicals to use on Iran in the Iran/Iraq war. The Big Dick, Cheney was the middle man.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
OF COURSE IT WAS OIL.....I dont think anyone denys the elephant in the room......most wars are economically fought.....hence the dollars backing by BLACK GOLD AND NOT GOLD METAL.....
so,,,,I'd say it is a justified war just to have control over our own currency of which the backing was changed LONG before Carter, Reagan,Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama.....
1. The World is Flat. 2. The Earth is the Center of the Universe. 3. War will always exist.
Numbers 1 & 2 used to be believed as fact... and now they are not. Narrow minded thinking caused them to be taken as fact long after the science proved them wrong.
Some forward thinking might make #3 one of those things that 'used to be true'.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
1. The World is Flat. 2. The Earth is the Center of the Universe. 3. War will always exist. 4. Abortion will always exist.
Numbers 1 & 2 used to be believed as fact... and now they are not. Narrow minded thinking caused them to be taken as fact long after the science proved them wrong.
Some forward thinking might make #3 & #4 one of those things that 'used to be true'.
Even though Cicero hacked my quote... I would be glad if Abortion were a thing of the past... if it were no longer necessary.
If Conservatives joined Liberals to push for more funding for groups like Planned Parenthood, who offer family planning, birth control, adoption referral, and especially sex education, the number of abortions could be reduced dramatically, and with education possibly made to be almost unnecessary.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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