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DemocraticVoiceOfReason
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I am talking choice.....DNR? DNI? tube feeding? IV hydration? YOU are responsible for your choices....I dont care what they are.....they are
yours personally by your personal convictions....I totally respect that....

there is no baby until it is OUTSIDE the womb.....if you believe it is a baby in the womb then by all means do what you believe is right in your mind...
it's your body, your relationship, your conscience........

but remember the LAW HAS NO SOUL.....that is not an ally........and when we make man's law into a god we lose other 'rights' for our lack of
understanding(said by Jesus)....if you believe in god then god is your conscience for yourself and god will take care of everyone else.....that's god's job
not yours or mine....otherwise we are not different than the muslim extremists who force their 'law' on others because 'god told them so'.....


If you actually look at it scientifically  .. that means looking at the results of the same thing happening literally billions of times over ...    when a woman is pregnant you can be 100% sure it is a baby human in the womb .. not a baby giraffe or a turnip


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If you actually look at it scientifically  .. that means looking at the results of the same thing happening literally billions of times over ...    when a woman is pregnant you can be 100% sure it is a baby human in the womb .. not a baby giraffe or a turnip


Not a giraffe or a turnip, but often not a baby...
As many as 40% of pregnancies end in miscarriage or spontaneous abortion, often due to malfunctions in cell division that leave a mass of human tissue, but certainly not a human baby or what would ever develop into a human baby.




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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Not a giraffe or a turnip, but often not a baby...
As many as 40% of pregnancies end in miscarriage or spontaneous abortion, often due to malfunctions in cell division that leave a mass of human tissue, but certainly not a human baby or what would ever develop into a human baby.




but in those cases it was a BABY that was miscarried or spontaneously aborted and NOT a griaffe or a turnip

the PRO-INFANTICIDE crowd knows that it is a baby in the womb .. but continues to make stupid comments to suggest it is something else ..............................   again .. looking at it scientifically .. because it is something that has been replicated billions of times over and. always, with the same result  
WHEN A WOMAN BECOMES PREGNANT SHE IS CARRYING A BABY HUMAN --- and not a baby giraffe or turnipor anything else



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WHEN A WOMAN BECOMES PREGNANT SHE IS CARRYING A BABY HUMAN --- and not a baby giraffe or turnipor anything else



So when a woman has a few dozen cells in her body that some day MAY or MAY NOT become a baby ... Those cells are a baby?


Sort of like when you open a dozen eggs and what do you see???
12 CHICKENS???
OR
12 Eggs???

When a woman produces a ovum, a gamete, an egg... is that a baby??? or just something that MAY or MAY NOT become a baby?
(I've added a pic of the ... um... "baby" below)




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So when a woman has a few dozen cells in her body that some day MAY or MAY NOT become a baby ... Those cells are a baby?


Sort of like when you open a dozen eggs and what do you see???
12 CHICKENS???
OR
12 Eggs???

When a woman produces a ovum, a gamete, an egg... is that a baby??? or just something that MAY or MAY NOT become a baby?
(I've added a pic of the ... um... "baby" below)




since the fertilized egg has never become a petunia  or a turnip or a giraffe .. but has - as it has been replicated BILLIONS of times - become a human baby  .... then yes the FERTILIZED EGG is a human baby

those wretched distorted creatures among us who support INFANTICIDE  would want us to believe otherwise .. but then they refuse to accept the scientifically proven reality that human life is formed from that fertilized egg

the fact that you and the rest of the Infanticide crowd keep arguing that it is just a clump of cells ... reminds me of the fact that  people like Hitler made all kinds of similarly illogical arguments to justify the genocide of over 12 million people  and how  similarly illogical arguments were made by some to justify, first, slavery and, later, the Jim Crow laws and other racist tactics.


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A Clump of Cells???

Yup... this clump of cells that may or may not become a human being is called a “blastocyst”... it's not called a 'baby' because it isn't a baby.  It wasn't called a baby when it was a zygote either... because a zygote isn't a baby. Or was it called a 'baby' when it was a morulla


Weeks into the process the embryo (not a baby) is the size of a pencil point.  It most closely resembles a worm - long and thin and with a segmented end.  Worm like... nothing about it is 'babylike'.

Soon the worm like group of cells, will look more like a  tadpole than a worm. The structure that will develop into a head is visible, as is a noticeable tail. The embryo has structures like the gills of a fish in the area that will later develop into a throat.


Then web footed arm buds appear.  The face has a distinctly reptilian aspect.  The embryo (not a baby) still has a tail and cannot be distinguished from pig, rabbit, elephant, or chick embryo."

Months into the process, the reptilian brain will begin to develop... the tail shrinks away and the clump of cells (not a baby) is now called a fetus.

You can call this clump of cells a baby if you like, or call it a reptile, a pig, a fish... but no matter what you call it, this human tissue is not a human being.







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but in those cases it was a BABY that was miscarried or spontaneously aborted and NOT a griaffe or a turnip

the PRO-INFANTICIDE crowd knows that it is a baby in the womb .. but continues to make stupid comments to suggest it is something else ..............................   again .. looking at it scientifically .. because it is something that has been replicated billions of times over and. always, with the same result  
WHEN A WOMAN BECOMES PREGNANT SHE IS CARRYING A BABY HUMAN --- and not a baby giraffe or turnipor anything else



here's a question for you....

when a man becomes pregnant he is carrying a baby human?
when a man maturbates he is killing a baby human?

WOW! with all that power.....and world STILL populated....amazing....heck, if a woman sponateouly or chooses to abort at 3 months will you pick up that fetus and cradle it and feed it and breath for it? or will you toss into an incubator and attach a bunch of machines to it for the sake of life? because as
a man you have that choice----I say have at it....

having life does not equate to living....and as proxy a woman/man cannot make life be living.....I can stand you on your own 2 feet but I cant keep
you there, that's up to you......



...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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If you actually look at it scientifically  .. that means looking at the results of the same thing happening literally billions of times over ...    when a woman is pregnant you can be 100% sure it is a baby human in the womb .. not a baby giraffe or a turnip


it also includes cancer cells....so what are they? non-human?


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Barack Hussein Obama's Pro-Abortion Presidential Record

Jan 28, 2010 - Promotes the pro-abortion health care bill in the State of the Union address.

February 2, 2010 - Submits new budget calling for taxpaper funding of abortions and more money for Planned Parenthood.

February  5, 2010 - The Obama administration issues a new order for the US military requiring all military hospitals and health centers to stock the morning after pill.

February 8 - The Obama administration admitted it improperly conducted a threat assessment on pro-life groups in Wisconsin who were preparing to rally against a new abortion center at a University of Wisconsin health clinic.

February 16, 2010 - White House visitor logs reveal Planned Parenthood president Cecile Richards has frequent access to top staffers.

February 22, 2010 - Unveils changes to the pro-abortion health care bill that keep abortion funding, expands abortion funding, and requires a monthly abortion fee on all Americans.

February 24, 2010 - Obama administration proposes expanding dearly embryonic stem cell research further.
February 26, 2010 - Obama selects pro-abortion and NARAL- endorsed magistrate judge Timothy Black for the District Court Bench for the Southern District of Ohio.

March 22, 2010 - Signs the pro-abortion NARAL activist Nancy Keenan meeting with key Obama staffers frequently and invited to social functions.

March 29, 2010 - Uses recess appointment to name pro-abortion activist Chai Feldblum to the EEOC.

April 7, 2010 - Obama administration pressures Kenya to adopt a new constitution that would legalize unlimted abortions.

April 15, 2010 - WHO applauds Obama administration for promoting abortion woldwide.

May 10, 2010 - Names pro-abortion activist Elena Kagan to the Supreme Court.

Above info comes from Judie Brown, American Life League cofounder.


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In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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Above info comes from Judie Brown, American Life League cofounder.


Sounds like a credible source... no conflict of interest there.  I'm sure your information is 'unbiased'!    





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Not bias at all boxy. I congratulate obama for supporting genocide from womb to war tomb!! He is truly and equal opportunity pres. He understands that life is nothing but a bunch of useless cells that can be exterminated at will. And like GWB he understands and obviously supports the 'war for oil' at our military's expense. His international abortion support coincides with his international war support. Unlike gwb...at least obama is consistant.

I'm sure you will agree that both obama and gwb  are just a different side of the same coin.


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I'm sure you will agree that both obama and gwb  are just a different side of the same coin.


You've been selling this "they are all the same" view for a while.
If you don't see any difference between Obama and GWB, I sure do.  An optional $1 trillion dollar war, while abandoning the real mission to capture or kill Osama BinLaden.  
That is a HUGE (Say HUGE Caroline) Huge difference.



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we wouldn't have war if we didn't have our volunteer army with soooooooo many volunteers....this isn't a jab at the soldiers because I respect them for their CHOICE...
anyone signing up should already have in their mind that some dumb directive  will come down that you wont agree with but a soldier must follow orders....


I dont think and I certainly hope that anyone who signs up for a tour of duty hasn't dont it on a dare and has thought their choice out .....just a person has thought out
their choice to abortion

CHOICE CHOICE CHOICE....regardless of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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I dont think and I certainly hope that anyone who signs up for a tour of duty hasn't dont it on a dare and has thought their choice out .....just a person has thought out
their choice to abortion


Should they think out their choice to have sex before thinking about aborting the fetus that didn't sign up for anything except a chance at full life?


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Should they think out their choice to have sex before thinking about aborting the fetus that didn't sign up for anything except a chance at full life?


a fetus doesn't think....the proxy thinks for them


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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