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Box A Rox
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If men got pregnant, the RIGHT to an abortion would be the First Amendment to the US Constitution.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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if one has 5 children and little food then having an abortion to save food to feed the rest rules
if you and I are the only 2 people left (that we know of) and there is 1 apple, you can bet I would kill you for it


So using your logic, if one has 5 children and the bread winner suffers a debilitating stroke and can't work to feed his five children, then killing them for their survival should be allowed?  Nobody can predict tomorrow.  Just because you think you can afford to feed them today, doesn't mean you will be able to afford them tomorrow.  We don't kill unborn babies in America because of fear of starvation like in sub-sahara Africa, but rather to maintain a high standard of living of filet mignon and lobster, two vehicles, cable T.V. in every room and zero responsibility.  We've become a self centered narcissistic society that has actually convinced themselves that a pregnancy is only a human life when it is convenient and won't disrupt their carefree lifestyle.  

  


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If men got pregnant, the RIGHT to an abortion would be the First Amendment to the US Constitution.


Please...What a tired argument.  You left wingers always act as if only men are pro life.  That's because to a liberal, a women that is pro life has zero opinion in the matter, and in most cases isn't even considered a women by the chopped hair left wing pink mafia.  


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Roe vs. Wade is settled law.  


Jim Crow Laws were considered settled law for 80 years.. Plessy v. Ferguson.  Settled law doesn't mean what is legal is right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plessy_v._Ferguson


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That's because to a liberal, a women that is pro life has zero opinion in the matter, and in most cases isn't even considered a women by the chopped hair left wing pink mafia.  


???

Cicero's misogyny keeps slipping out.  
I respect both Liberal or Conservative women who are pro life or pro choice.  
I have a problem with either who attempt to FORCE their political or religious agenda on others.

Choice is just that.  What Cicero promotes is FORCE, not CHOICE!

He'd demand that all Americans abide by his religious or political views.  Others have no Choice.





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So using your logic, if one has 5 children and the bread winner suffers a debilitating stroke and can't work to feed his five children, then killing them for their survival should be allowed?  Nobody can predict tomorrow.  Just because you think you can afford to feed them today, doesn't mean you will be able to afford them tomorrow.  We don't kill unborn babies in America because of fear of starvation like in sub-sahara Africa, but rather to maintain a high standard of living of filet mignon and lobster, two vehicles, cable T.V. in every room and zero responsibility.  We've become a self centered narcissistic society that has actually convinced themselves that a pregnancy is only a human life when it is convenient and won't disrupt their carefree lifestyle.  

  


true,,,,but when people who know their own minds and situations make their own choice THEY LIVE WITH IT.....and killing the already born IS against
the law.....point being NEVER LET THE GOVERNMENT IN YOUR HEAD/HEART/SOUL.....it's YOUR choice.....if having a child is that important
then by all means have one....YOUR CHOICE.....



...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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If men got pregnant, the RIGHT to an abortion would be the First Amendment to the US Constitution.


Well box, your misandry keeps on slipping out.  You post alludes to only men being anti abortion.  How can you make such and absurd statement?  


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both men and women are against/for abortion.....here's the deal....if you disagree with it THEN DONT HAVE ONE.....

here's something for thought

women's commercials are for chemical birthcontrol(to prevent births with all that sex)
men's commercials are for chemical erections(to have more sex)


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Choice is just that.  What Cicero promotes is FORCE, not CHOICE!

He'd demand that all Americans abide by his religious or political views.  Others have no Choice.


Choice to kill the innocent isn't a choice in civilized society.  

Box agrees with Obama FORCING ME to purchase health insurance.  Box is for Obama FORCING ME to give my earned money to pay for social programs.  Box is for Obama FORCING ME to pay higher energy costs.  BUT...Box isn't for using FORCE to save the lives of the innocent unborn child.  Box favors controlling you in every possible way through government force, BUT that same force can't save the life of the unborn.  


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women's commercials are for chemical birthcontrol(to prevent births with all that sex)
men's commercials are for chemical erections(to have more sex)


What's that have to do with the price of eggs in China?


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What's that have to do with the price of eggs in China?


social thought and why we are having this conversation.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Choice to kill the innocent isn't a choice in civilized society.  

Box agrees with Obama FORCING ME to purchase health insurance.  Box is for Obama FORCING ME to give my earned money to pay for social programs.  Box is for Obama FORCING ME to pay higher energy costs.  BUT...Box isn't for using FORCE to save the lives of the innocent unborn child.  Box favors controlling you in every possible way through government force, BUT that same force can't save the life.  


Cicero Wants To FORCE Women to give birth to UNWANTED  CHILDREN!
AND
After they have the baby... HE DOESN'T WANT TO PAY A DIME FOR THE HOSPITAL BILL, THE UNWANTED CHILDS EDUCATION OR HEALTH CARE, THE UNWANTED CHILD'S FOOD, CLOTHING OR HOUSING.

I HAVE A SOLUTION...

Once these unwanted children are born... Drop them off at Cicero's house along with the hospital bill.  
(Cicero would soon be pro choice)




The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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Cicero Wants To FORCE Women to give birth to UNWANTED  CHILDREN!


No...Cicero wants MEN AND WOMEN to UNDERSTAND how babies are made and use the MANY OPTIONS of birth control to prevent the INCONVENIENT CHILDREN due to their actions!  Box you talk like pregnancy is an affliction the there is no cure for like AIDS.  You do know pregnancy is preventable right?  Well maybe not, since it's apparent your mother had no children that survived.  


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No...Cicero wants MEN AND WOMEN to UNDERSTAND how babies are made and use the MANY OPTIONS of birth control to prevent the INCONVENIENT CHILDREN due to their actions!  Box you talk like pregnancy is an affliction the there is no cure for like AIDS.  You do know pregnancy is preventable right?  Well maybe not, since it's apparent your mother had no children that survived.  


hence my above post

3 options

condom       (loss of sensation)
birthcontrol (chemicals)
no sex        (misery)

dont even bring up the rhythm method it's a joke from the dark ages.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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CICERO & I Finally agree.

Since we disagree on most things, but it seems we finally found common ground.

Preventing pregnancy!

Lets join together Cicero... You and I in preventing unwanted pregnancy.  
I'll pledge a donation to Planned Parenthood to help educate and prevent unwanted pregnancy and to promote birth control.

I'll contact my congressman to voice our opinion that federal dollars be used to educate both men and women about birth control and family planning.

How about it Cicero?  Put your money where your anti-choice mouth is and help solve the problem for both of us.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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