I heard that the original count was a little high (maybe by 1 or 2), but any loss is unnecessary. Good thing the troops are coming home. Oh, no, the "fighting" troops are already home, that's right.
I heard that the original count was a little high (maybe by 1 or 2), but any loss is unnecessary. Good thing the troops are coming home. Oh, no, the "fighting" troops are already home, that's right.
There seems to be some confusion or creative history about Obama's campaign thoughts on Afghanistan.
Obama promised and fulfilled his promise to bring combat troops home from IRAQ in 16 months. There was no mention of Afghanistan.
On the subject of Americans being killed in both wars... IMO, Iraq was always an unnecessary optional war... a lie right from the start. That was was about OIL, not WMD's.
Afghanistan is a killing field and we will keep supplying bodies to that war as long as we are there. There is no victory in Afghanistan. Our mission was to attack AlQaeda and kill OBL. We've completed that mission. Time to leave Afghanistan... now. Today.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Our mission was to attack AlQaeda and kill OBL. We've completed that mission. Time to leave Afghanistan... now. Today.
Agree!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
There seems to be some confusion or creative history about Obama's campaign thoughts on Afghanistan.
Obama promised and fulfilled his promise to bring combat troops home from IRAQ in 16 months. There was no mention of Afghanistan.
On the subject of Americans being killed in both wars... IMO, Iraq was always an unnecessary optional war... a lie right from the start. That was was about OIL, not WMD's.
Afghanistan is a killing field and we will keep supplying bodies to that war as long as we are there. There is no victory in Afghanistan. Our mission was to attack AlQaeda and kill OBL. We've completed that mission. Time to leave Afghanistan... now. Today.
OK, I'll give you the fact that the combat troops are out of Iraq, but that still doesn't say anything about those that just had their names changed to protect the President. As far as the troops that were just killed in Afghanistan, I still believe that they shouldn't have been in harms way in the first place.
Actually, Iraq was more about Baby Bush winning daddy's war.
Libya Rebels Overtake Tripoli As Gaddafi Regime Crumbles AP/The Huffington Post By KARIN LAUB and BEN HUBBARD First Posted: 8/22/11 01:12 AM ET Updated: 8/22/11 05:00 A TRIPOLI, Libya -- Euphoric Libyan rebels took control of most of Tripoli in a lightning advance Sunday, celebrating the victory in Green Square, the symbolic heart of Moammar Gadhafi's regime. Gadhafi's defenders quickly melted away as his 42-year rule crumbled, but the leader's whereabouts were unknown and pockets of resistance remained.
State TV broadcast Gadhafi's bitter pleas for Libyans to defend his regime. Opposition fighters captured his son and one-time heir apparent, Seif al-Islam, who along with his father faces charges of crimes against humanity at the International Criminal Court in the Netherlands. Another son was under house arrest.
"It's over, frizz-head," chanted hundreds of jubilant men and women massed in Green Square, using a mocking nickname of the curly-haired Gadhafi. The revelers fired shots in the air, clapped and waved the rebels' tricolor flag. Some set fire to the green flag of Gadhafi's regime and shot holes in a poster with the leader's image.
The startling rebel breakthrough, after a long deadlock in Libya's 6-month-old civil war, was the culmination of a closely coordinated plan by rebels, NATO and anti-Gadhafi residents inside Tripoli, rebel leaders said. Rebel fighters from the west swept over 20 miles (30 kilometers) in a matter of hours Sunday, taking town after town and overwhelming a major military base as residents poured out to cheer them. At the same time, Tripoli residents secretly armed by rebels rose up.................................>>>>.....................>>>>.......................http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/22/libya-rebels-tripoli_n_932706.html
US Military Intervention in Libya Cost At Least $896 Million August 22, 2011 6:43 PM
ABC News’ Luis Martinez (@LMartinezABC) reports: The cost of U.S. military intervention in Libya has cost American taxpayers an estimated $896 million through July 31, the Pentagon said today.
The price tag includes the amounts for daily military operations, munitions used in the operation and humanitarian assistance for the Libyan people.
The U.S. has also promised $25 million in non-lethal aid to the Libyan Transitional National Council, half of which the Defense Department has already on MRE’s (military lingo for Meals, Ready to Eat).
The military delivered 120,000 Halal MRE’s to Benghazi in May and a second shipment that included medical supplies, boots, tents, uniforms, and personal protective gear in June.
While Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi appears on the way out, NATO says flight missions over Tripoli will continue, with the U.S. playing a role in helping to keep a tight window over the area that’s been in effect for weeks.
Over the past 12 days, U.S. planes have flown 391 sorties for a total of 5,316 since April 1, according to figures provided by the Defense Department. That total includes 1,210 airstrike missions over the same three and a half month period. The U.S. has also conducted 101 Predator drone strike missions in Libya. .......................>>>>.....................>>>>.........................http://blogs.abcnews.com/polit.....st-896-million-.html
Libyans Applaud President Obama And International Allies With Large Thank You Sign!
At the main square in Benghazi, people have been gathering to celebrate the end of the rule of Muammar Qaddafi. One large sign in the middle of the square in Benghazi features a picture of the “Fantastic 4” (from right to left): US President Barack Obama, French President Nicolas Sarkozy, British Prime Minister David Cameron, and U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice. The text on the sign reads: “God Bless You All. Thanks For All.”
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Can anybody tell me where, in the middle of a Civil War, did they find a sign company to make a nice new shinny pro western banner that praises the leaders of the same nations that propped up Qadaffi for 40 years? My guess is, the people that made that sign are the same people that dropped BILLIONS of dollars in ordinance from the sky. You don’t spend BILLIONS in this effort, and then just walk away like you were never there. We are installing a new regime, and people believe that this is some grass roots movement.
The revolution began as peaceful public protests, and only when the urban crowds were subjected to artillery, tank, mortar and cluster bomb barrages did the revolutionaries begin arming themselves.
When fighting began, it was volunteer combatants representing their city quarters taking on trained regular army troops and mercenaries. That is a revolution, not a civil war. Only in a few small pockets of territory, such as Sirte and its environs, did pro-Gadhafi civilians oppose the revolutionaries, but it would be wrong to magnify a handful of skirmishes of that sort into a civil war. Gadhafi's support was too limited, too thin, and too centered in the professional military, to be considered a civil war. (CNN) http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/22/top-ten-myths-about-the-libya-war/
While much of Libya is in chaos, much was untouched by the fighting. A large poster size banner would be as available in most of the country as it was before the fighting began.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
A revolution with Western Powers dropping bombs on Libyan military installations? Dropping bombs on the same weapons installations European countries sold to Qadaffi over the past 40 years? This was a war waged against the current Libyan government. This was a civil war provoked by Western Nations to serve Western interests. If you think this is some wholesome grassroots revolution, you are naive.
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James Fearon, a scholar of civil wars at Stanford University, defines a civil war as "a violent conflict within a country fought by organized groups that aim to take power at the center or in a region, or to change government policies".[1] Ann Hironaka further specifies that one side of a civil war is the state.[3] The intensity at which a civil disturbance becomes a civil war is contested by academics. Some political scientists define a civil war as having more than 1000 casualties,[1] while others further specify that at least 100 must come from each side.[5] The Correlates of War, a dataset widely used by scholars of conflict, classifies civil wars as having over 1000 war-related casualties per year of conflict. This rate is a small fraction of the millions killed in the Second Sudanese Civil War and Cambodian Civil War, for example, but excludes several highly publicized conflicts, such as The Troubles of Northern Ireland and the struggle of the African National Congress in Apartheid-era South Africa.[3]
Based on the 1000 casualties per year criterion, there were 213 civil wars from 1816 to 1997, 104 of which occurred from 1944 to 1997.[3] If one uses the less-stringent 1000 casualties total criterion, there were over 90 civil wars between 1945 and 2007, with 20 ongoing civil wars as of 2007.[1]
Libya's civil war and U.N. intervention The U.N. Security Council voted March 17 to authorize a no-fly zone over Libya and to "take all necessary measures" - without using an occupation force - to protect civilians and population centers under the threat of attack in Libya. Click the markers to learn more about the intervention in Libya, and scroll down to learn more about the developments in Libya's civil war.http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2011/03/world/libya.civil.war/index.html
Civil War: "a war between political factions or regions within the same country." Revolution: "an overthrow or repudiation and the thorough replacement of an established government or political system by the people governed" Dictionary.com
Although often confused or used inaccurately, there is a huge difference between them.
The US Civil war was a war between two political or regional factions. The US Revolution was a revolt against the government by it's citizens.
Libya wasn't a political 'civil war' among factions, it was a revolt against the Qaddafi government by the people of Libya.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Libya wasn't a political 'civil war' among factions, it was a revolt against the Qaddafi government by the people of Libya.
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Libyan rebels face political and economic hurdles
By Barak Barfi BENGHAZI, Libya - Six months after Libyan rebels took up arms against the country's leader, Col. Moammar Gadhafi, they have finally toppled him. But, while victorious on the battlefield, they have not been triumphant in political and economic terms. If the rebels are to ensure their revolution's long-term success, they will have to overcome the weaknesses that plague them.
In the days following the start of the uprising in February, the rebels formed a political body known as the National Transitional Council and a cabinet known as the Executive Committee. Though drawn from across Libyan society and staffed by people with technical skills, the groups have been hamstrung by several problems.
The National Transitional Council (Arabic: المجلس الوطني الإنتقالي, al-majlis al-waṭanī al-'intiqālī), sometimes known as the Transitional National Council,[1] the Interim National Council,[2] or the Libyan National Council, is a political body formed to represent Libya by anti-Gaddafi forces during the 2011 Libyan civil war against the regime of Colonel Muammar al-Gaddafi. Its formation was announced in the city of Benghazi on 27 February 2011 and its intended purpose is to act as the "political face of the revolution". On 5 March 2011, the council issued a statement in which it declared itself to be the "only legitimate body representing the people of Libya and the Libyan state".[3][4][5]
Quoted Text Libyan rebels face political and economic hurdles
By Barak Barfi BENGHAZI, Libya - Six months after Libyan rebels took up arms against the country's leader, Col. Moammar Gadhafi, they have finally toppled him. But, while victorious on the battlefield, they have not been triumphant in political and economic terms. If the rebels are to ensure their revolution's long-term success, they will have to overcome the weaknesses that plague them. In the days following the start of the uprising in February, the rebels formed a political body known as the National Transitional Council and a cabinet known as the Executive Committee. Though drawn from across Libyan society and staffed by people with technical skills, the groups have been hamstrung by several problems.
Cicero. Thank you for proving my point... that the War in Libya is a Revolution, not a Civil War.
As you posted above: "If the rebels are to ensure their revolution's long-term success"... The article correctly referred to the conflict as a REVOLUTION, not a civil war. and again: "In the days following the start of the uprising in February, the rebels formed a political body known as the National Transitional Council"... The rebels formed a political group, that would be needed to lead their new government once the revolution was successful. (Note: the political group didn't even exist BEFORE the revolution.)
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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