Those people were not a Militia they are a anti-government group. Militias understand the importance of government for what roles they should serve, they might be against bad government but not the government in which our constitution limits their power.
This story from a year ago is about a "Right Wing Christian MILITIA"... You may consider the Militia Wing Nut movement in this country to be benign, but the FBI doesn't.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
This story from a year ago is about a "Right Wing Christian MILITIA"... You may consider the Militia Wing Nut movement in this country to be benign, but the FBI doesn't.
I'm glad you brought up the case of Hutaree because it was BS from the beginning and even the judge reviewing the case blasted the prosecutors for the weak evidence. Everything was hearsay from an informant and the evidence they gathered was laughable at best. Take for example street signs they found at one of there houses, since they found no real evidence they grabbed street signs and tried to make a case that they "could have used them for shrapnel in making a bomb". I actually know a guy who was questioned in this case in another forum, he like most everyone else had nothing to say bad about the group Hutaree to the FBI. Pretty much he stated they were trying to grasp at straws to find anything damning against them because their case was so weak.
This case is nothing new either, people have been arrested and sent to prison for charges the government hyped up to make it look like they busted some big terror cell. They do this not for our safety but for something to give the sheeple so they will keep getting that big funding by making it look like they're useful. In the meantime we have a full blown drug war on our border which DHS says is under control, what a fckn joke.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
It wasn't all that long ago when Homeland Security sent out alerts to some police departments in Missouri to keep an eye on anyone who had a Ron Paul sticker on their vehicles.
It wasn't all that long ago when Homeland Security sent out alerts to some police departments in Missouri to keep an eye on anyone who had a Ron Paul sticker on their vehicles.
That would be the MIAC report
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Last month Judge Victoria A. Roberts set a new trial date of Sept. 13, 2011 for the Hutaree Militia group. The original trial date has been postponed twice at the request of the Defense.
Nine Hutaree Militia had been indicted by a federal grand jury in Detroit on charges of seditious conspiracy, attempted use of weapons of mass destruction, teaching the use of explosive materials, and possessing a firearm during a crime of violence. The indictment said that the Hutaree planned to attack law enforcement vehicles during the funeral procession for the officer(s) they planned to kill, using improvised explosive devices of the Explosively formed penetrator variety, thus constituting the formal, Federal statutory definition of Weapons of Mass Destruction.
Additional charges on some of the group of illegally possessed automatic rifles and possessed unregistered firearms were added in June 2010.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Any radical group should be investigated whether it's right, left, Muslim, or Christian for the safety of the country but it has to be done fairly and not be focused on one group and other groups get a pass.
Funny reading that. Pretty much shows how bad a job our government is doing to protect our rights and borders and economy. Sure people are going to get pissed when everything the government touches turns to crap. I like the part that states some may get upset for passing unconstitutional gun laws, well no sh*t
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Funny reading that. Pretty much shows how bad a job our government is doing to protect our rights and borders and economy. Sure people are going to get pissed when everything the government touches turns to crap. I like the part that states some may get upset for passing unconstitutional gun laws, well no sh*t
Henry, There is nothing in the report about "passing unconstitutional gun laws". Many Right Wingers consider ANY gun law as "unconstitutional", however most Americans and the supreme court disagree.
Many rightwing extremist groups perceive recent gun control legislation as a threat to their right to bear arms and in response have increased weapons and ammunition stockpiling, as well as renewed participation in paramilitary training exercises. Such activity, combined with a heightened level of extremist paranoia, has the potential to facilitate criminal activity and violence. — "Extremist Paranoia" is a major part of the problem.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Today's FBI is a politically correct government agency more focused on carrying statist political water that actually keeping us safe. If THEY think the "KKK" types are more of a threat than the radical muzzies then that just proves that point. There are many fine agent who simmer at the concept but I am sure under the touchy-feely "never call the muslims out" mentality of this administration, they are quietly outraged knowing the danger this puts us in.
Box, you have so much there from the Communist Southern Poverty Law Center, why don't we ask you to do a death toll comparison now for those who are reading but not challenging you? Please, just so you can prove your point that the KKK is as dangerous or more dangerous than the Islamic radicals. That is all I ask.
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
GB, My point has always been that Domestic Terrorists when they blow up a building are just as destructive and dangerous as a foreign terrorist, and both pose a threat.
Muslims pose no threat! NONE! Terrorists groups like Muslim AlQaeda do.
Christians pose no threat! None! Terrorists like Christian militias or Christian White Supremacist do.
The focus on MUSLIM (or Christian) instead of on Terrorist is foolish and endangers us instead of protecting us.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
So you have no death toll comparisons regarding these dangerous extremist, right wing groups versus the Islamic Fundmentalist groups? Because you posted quite an impressive list of dangerous things like people having illegal weapons and dirty literature that says stupid things about other races, and then there were the guys who think its smart to get involved in shootouts with cops, and of course there was that 90 year old guy at the holocaust museum, and the other assorted dirtbags. OF COURSE I THINK IT HAS BEEN DISPROVED FOR ALL INTENSIVE PURPOSE THAT LOUGHNER WAS INVOLVED IN ANY IDEAL OR CAUSE, AND THAT HE WAS FAR FROM BEING A RIGHT WINGER, KKK MEMBER OR PART OF ANY GROUP SO WE MAY AGREE TO REMOVE THE ACTIONS OF AN INSANE PERSON..I would just like to see a death toll comparison with the victims of radical-Islam on one side and the victims of the right wing, supremist, yahoo KKK jerkoffs on the other.
That is all I am asking, because then that might shed more light on the scale and scope of their lethality.
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
Henry, There is nothing in the report about "passing unconstitutional gun laws". Many Right Wingers consider ANY gun law as "unconstitutional", however most Americans and the supreme court disagree.
Many rightwing extremist groups perceive recent gun control legislation as a threat to their right to bear arms and in response have increased weapons and ammunition stockpiling, as well as renewed participation in paramilitary training exercises. Such activity, combined with a heightened level of extremist paranoia, has the potential to facilitate criminal activity and violence. — "Extremist Paranoia" is a major part of the problem.
Personally I see this as a good thing considering people are paying attention to their gut instincts. When people feel a threat or feel the future looks grim gun sales always rise. This happened after Clintons assault weapon ban, it happened after 9/11, and it happened when Obama was due to become president. People have different reasons to why they buy one but the majority will probably tell you they believe the country is heading in the wrong direction. If a gun is a little peace of mind to protect their selves and their families and country I see no problem with that. The anti-gun groups wish to call it paranoid or dangerous, I call it good instincts in a more dangerous world the law abiding citizens must fight to protect.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
I don't always agree with Maher, but he lays out some points here about radical Islamic terrorists that actual liberals should see as relevant. This is a must see- he debates with the muzzie congressman Kieth Ellison:
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
That is all I am asking, because then that might shed more light on the scale and scope of their lethality.
Look to Timothy Mc Veigh and the Oklahoma City Bombing. As I posted both groups are dangerous and lethal. Both are planning terror... but one group gets a pass as just a bunch of good ole boys havin fun, while law abiding Muslim Americans are being demonized and attacked not because of terrorists ties, but because of their Religion.
Much of the good information about Arab terrorism in this country comes from the Muslim community. Continued persecution of good Muslim Americans will cause that information source to dry up and disappear. We'll all pay the consequences.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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