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February 23, 2011, 6:53pm Report to Moderator
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The discussion HERE, so far, had been concerning his stance on abortion.  
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The discussion HERE, so far, had been concerning his stance on abortion.  

Post #1  thru 23 ~ no mention of abortion.
Post #25 and 29 ~ no mention of abortion.

Of the posts that DO mention abortion, most are MT's.

So it appears that you are wrong again MT.




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“My religion is a private matter and it is not something that I discuss in a political arena,” Cuomo said in a Q&A with reporters at St. Joseph’s College in Patchogue,


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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This discussion has to do with the newspaper article that cited the Governor receiving communion though he lives with his girlfriend from time to time.  That's sex outside of marriage--who cares--a forgiven sin.  But if the Gov marries her, he will be excommunicated.  That's the rule...foolish as it may be.  The Gov's religion is private and his practice or not practice of it is between him and his God.  There is NO reason for him not to receive communion. Maybe you all should revisit what the Eucharist should mean when we choose to receive it.  

As for Andrew's stance on abortion, personally I am against it but the Governor represents more than just me.  Tht is all settled law now and we ask our politicians to abide by law not religious law...not my religion, Judaism, Islam or any other faith tradition.  We ask him to uphold the law.
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we cant feel a politician is 'like us' because of their religion....they should uphold government law....as for sin....the government would be shot right to
hell ....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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I'm glad you've made that determination for your church.

Funny, I thought you were Catholic (or claimed to be) - yet you'll go directly against the code of canon law (915) that is the basis for the churchs teachings.

Guess you're just another cafeteria wannabe that'll pick and choose what's convenient at the time.

The person who holds something contrary to the Catholic faith is materially a heretic. (Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same.)


Canon law leaves it up to the discretion of the Bishop of each diocese to make determinations about who can and can not receive the Sacraments.    I am not the Bishop and neither are you.    You seem to pick and choose which church teachings and law you will obey.    I choose to obey the Bishop and the canon law that leaves it up to his discretion in the matter.

So apparently, you are the heretic and the "cafeteria wannabe"  -- and a judgmental hypocritical a** at the same time.


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Cuomo receiving communion is between Andrew and God, and no one else is concerned.

As for MT...     Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
    John 8:7


Is the abortion issue (pro or con) also between one and one's God?
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Is the abortion issue (pro or con) also between one and one's God?


As posted before, the bible doesn't ban abortions.  The bible also doesn't recognize a person until the first breath.  Abortion isn't a sin in the bible... only a sin decided by a few men who live in Rome.

If Jesus didn't condemn abortion, then there is  no issue.


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As posted before, the bible doesn't ban abortions.  The bible also doesn't recognize a person until the first breath.  Abortion isn't a sin in the bible... only a sin decided by a few men who live in Rome.

If Jesus didn't condemn abortion, then there is  no issue.


Jesus was more concerned about stone throwing....and not banging folks over the head with the bible.....and not demanding others
take care of you


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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This is really silly,
Who cares if the governor gets to have a cookie from the priest.
Those cookies are tasty ,When I was a young lad I stole a pack of them and ate em.
Being young at the time I thought the more I ate the more "holy" I would be.
Now that I am older I do not belive in majick cookies.
The really funny thing is all the uproar over this.
The thing that should scare you is we have many many men in power who believe in majick cookies.
And water that turns into wine that turns into blood.
These guys are running the show?
Many think Politics and religion do not mix .
If you look close they are the same thing.
Organizations whom people elect to tell them right from wrong.
One day we will all devolve back to a state where we can know for ourselves and not look to paid professional holy men and political figuines.


We didnt come this far to get this far.
   random 12 year old


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Just re-read your post DVR.  I have to say, although I do not agree with MT on this issue, he has a deep and abiding love and commitment to Catholicism.  My money would be on him re: canon law generally.  In this instance, however, Cuomo is damned no matter what he does.  He should continue to go to Mass and receive communion.  What priest or Bishop in their right mind would deny him.  We all sin--receive communion and go out and sin again.
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Just re-read your post DVR.  I have to say, although I do not agree with MT on this issue, he has a deep and abiding love and commitment to Catholicism.  My money would be on him re: canon law generally.  In this instance, however, Cuomo is damned no matter what he does.  He should continue to go to Mass and receive communion.  What priest or Bishop in their right mind would deny him.  We all sin--receive communion and go out and sin again.


the only one who had a conversation with god and recorded it


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

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Is the abortion issue (pro or con) also between one and one's God?


Technically -- yes.  


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As posted before, the bible doesn't ban abortions.  The bible also doesn't recognize a person until the first breath.  Abortion isn't a sin in the bible... only a sin decided by a few men who live in Rome.

If Jesus didn't condemn abortion, then there is  no issue.


The Bible also says that God knew you before you were in your mother's womb and "thou shall not kill" -- so I would take that as the Bible upholding the sanctity of human life from its earliest point  to its natural end.


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Just re-read your post DVR.  I have to say, although I do not agree with MT on this issue, he has a deep and abiding love and commitment to Catholicism.  My money would be on him re: canon law generally.  In this instance, however, Cuomo is damned no matter what he does.  He should continue to go to Mass and receive communion.  What priest or Bishop in their right mind would deny him.  We all sin--receive communion and go out and sin again.


I have studied Canon Law --  Bishop Hubbard acted appropriately by stating that the matter is between Mr. Cuomo and God and the - in the Albany Diocese - the Bishop ..  
MT is just plain wrong.


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