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He said it he has to own up to it no matter who's site it's on. Trumpka is a progressive who believes in social justice which is no more than wanting to distribute those who have money to those who don't have enough. Trumpka says he's a progressive all the time and has joined a whole bunch of groups that I would never join unless I believed the same as they do. You sleep with dogs you get fleas. There e are 2 web pages listed the first one is Breitbart the second one was written byJeff Dunetz. http://biggovernment.com/jdune.....t-the-vote-alliance/
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He said it he has to own up to it no matter who's site it's on. Trumpka is a progressive who believes in social justice which is no more than wanting to distribute those who have money to those who don't have enough. /


If you use your definition of social justice, then you are probably right.  Would you call it "social Justice" when Right Wingers steal from the middle class and give to the RICH?  Or only if the stolen money goes the other way???

IMO, Conservative Tax Values is a 'redistribution of wealth' from the middle class to the Rich... the opposite of any kind of justice. "Robin Hood In Reverse"!



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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                         Richard Trumka is perhaps the most conspicuous choice on this job-creating council. Trumka, who recently admitted to Astroturfing the protests in Wisconsin and around the country, is president of the AFL-CIO and a longtime Big Labor activist with a shady history. Michelle Malkin has noted that Trumka led the United Mine Workers when a non-union worker named Eddie York was shot to death in the midst of a mining strike. The UMW aided all eight union members present at the scene of the crime and disciplined none of them. In a separate incident, Trumka incited a crowd in Illinois to “kick the s–t out of every last” person who crossed the UMW picket line. Working his way up the ranks, as AFL-CIO treasurer he was implicated in two money-laundering scandals involving the Teamsters. He said if he were forced to testify before Congress, he would invoke the Fifth Amendment. Trumka climbed the ladder by gripping the coattails of John Sweeney, the union’s former president and member of the Democratic Socialists of America. Sweeney and Trumka saw the union donate more than $200 million in political aid to the Democrats in 2008 and send out more than 250,000 “volunteers,” many of whom worked for Obama in swing states. On February 15, Barack Obama awarded Sweeney the Medal of Freedom.

After succeeding Sweeney as the union’s president in September 2009, Trumka decided to further radicalize the union. Just last fall, Trumka insisted, “We need to fundamentally restructure our economy and re-establish popular control over the private corporations which have distorted our economy and hijacked our government. That’s a long-term job but one we should start now.” To that end, Trumka has worked with European socialists to establish a global tax, a measure that is also a top priority of Obama’s Science Czar John Holdren. Last year, Trumka carried out his threats to go after Democrats who opposed ObamaCare’s “public option,” failing to oust Arkansas Senator Blanche Lincoln as the Democratic nominee.

The new council position provides no real boost to Trumka; he doesn’t need one. Although certain members of Obama’s Cabinet have not heard from the president after serving two years into his administration, Trumka recently boasted: “I’m at the White House a couple times a week. Two, three times a week. I have conversations everyday with someone in the White House or in the administration. Everyday.”

Trumka is not the only union thug with a seat at the table.                                                                        
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I was opposed to TARP, stimulus, omnibus, cash for clunkers, and this bloated budget just proposed. I am for a smaller government even if it means that some of the programs that I now receive [SS and Medicare] have to be reduced by a fair amount. I am also in favor of more personal freedoms and rights for the individual. I believe we should all be willing to give back and cut back on entitlements for the good of the country. I am also opposed to greedy businesses failing to share profits with their workers when there are ample funds to share. I also am for a flat tax, no exemptions for any reason, for everyone like a 10% tax on all money earned the more you make the more you pay. If we went to that type of tax we could eliminate the IRS and the tax code that's so complicated that even the people who wrote it can't figure it out.
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Thank you for the link. I listened to the entire clip and Trumka did not say the quote that you originally posted and he did not utter the phrase "social justice." I have done dozens of searches now looking for anything resembling the quote you gave and it's nowhere to be found. Here is your original comment:

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The Internet is full of statements made by Trumpka and he admits he wants social justice and has made alliances with many socialist/communist organizations to achieve his agenda.


Now, I have no problem with paraphrasing, but nowhere have I see Trumka use the term "social justice" nor have I seen any examples of him making alliances with "socialist/communist" organizations. Of course, to you, "progressive" means "communist" because you get your talking points from Glenn Beck. You assert that because he said he didn't get into the union leadership to negotiate wages means he doesn't care about wages, but that is not the case at all. He's obviously interested in the big picture goals of the AFL/CIO and using the organization to fight the gargantuan right-wing organizations that want to destroy unions if only to remove all large pro-Democrat organizations. Of the top 10 organizations who spent the most during the last election, six of them were right-wing groups, four of which were directly funded by the Koch brothers.

After listening to the audio from the Breitbart site, I don't see any problem with Trumka's comments or actions. Why do you ignore Trumka's comments about "job creation for the middle class"? Do you realize that you are in the minority and that a majority of Amercan's don't support cuts in SS or Medicare, a majority of Americans are against the actions of the Wisconsin governor, and a majority of Americans think teachers should not have their collective bargaining rights taken away. Of course, Fox News doesn't report any of those polls so I can understand why you have no clue what American's really want.
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The mainstream press gave these remarks, along with those of the president, prime coverage. What they downplayed was that Trumka, now 61, during his years as United Mine Workers president and then as AFL-CIO secretary-treasurer, became a rising star in the organized labor firmament by enabling union violence and corruption. In other words, his tacit and at times open encouragement of intimidation and deception as union empowerment tactics may have helped him win his current job.

Consider a multi-state coal miners strike organized by the UMW back in 1993. As union president, Trumka ordered more than 17,000 workers to walk off their jobs. He was determined, among other things, to ensure that nobody would find work in a mine without paying dues or agency fees to the union. He explicitly told strikers to "kick the sh*t out of" employees and mine operators resisting union demands. UMW enforcers obliged him. They vandalized homes, fires shots at a mine office, and cut power to another mine, temporarily trapping 93 miners underground. Worse yet, a union goon on July 22, 1993 murdered heavy equipment operator Eddie York, a nonunion contractor, shooting him in the back of the head in his pickup truck as he drove past strikers at a Logan County, West Virginia work site; a bunch of goons then proceeded to pelt York's would-be rescuers with rocks. Rather than apologize, Trumka offered the following rationalization: "I'm saying if you strike a match and put your finger in, common sense tells you you're going to burn your finger." In other words, Eddie York had it coming. His widow, Wanda York, saw things differently. She sued the union for $27 million, naming Trumka and other union officials as co-defendants. After a long battle, UMW lawyers quickly decided to settle out of court in June 1997 once federal prosecutors announced they would release evidence from the trial of Jerry Dale Lowe, convicted of conspiracy and weapons charges related to York's murder by a federal jury three years earlier.

The election of John Sweeney as AFL-CIO president in the fall of 1995 gave Trumka a new career as federation secretary-treasurer; apparently, the AFL-CIO didn't see Trumka's de facto advocacy of United Mine Workers violence as a problem. Nor would it see a problem in April 1998 when Trumka, now UMW immediate past president, gave a wink to criminal violence by loyalists against dissenters at a rally in Bentleyville, Pa., where he and union President Cecil Roberts came to speak. An eyewitness account put it this way: "Within minutes a group of UMWA officials and their supporters attacked the protesting miners, ripping leaflets and protest signs from their hands. Several miners were punched, knocked to the ground and kicked repeatedly." Trumka, while not openly endorsing the violence, offered no words of condemnation either.

Trumka's closet skeletons extend to corruption, specifically, a pair of money-laundering schemes, among a half-dozen totaling $885,000 that helped re-elect Teamsters General President Ron Carey in 1996 over his close rival, James P. Hoffa. That election eventually was invalidated, paving the way for Hoffa's current presidency. The Teamsters had been under federal oversight since 1989, the result of an out-of-court settlement of the Justice Department's civil RICO suit against the scandal-ridden union. In his report disqualifying Carey from office, the union's special election officer, Kenneth Conboy, concluded that Trumka had laundered $150,000 from the union through the AFL-CIO to a political advocacy group, Citizen Action, which in turn routed $100,000 of the money to the Carey campaign. Conboy also concluded Trumka had participated in another illegal arrangement in which he either contributed or solicited $50,000 in order to bankroll the Carey campaign.

Congress took an interest in the Teamsters election campaign. Trumka wasn't very talkative. Though not subpoenaed to testify before the House Committee on Education and the Workforce at an April 30, 1998 hearing, he indicated beforehand that he would have taken the Fifth Amendment had he been called. His boss, John Sweeney, took his place, telling the committee, "I do not believe that Rich Trumka would knowingly participate in a scheme to launder union money into the campaign coffers of a candidate for union office." That statement would have been more convincing if Trumka had appeared.
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There may even be room to negotiate new contracts, but in a democracy even elected officials do not have the right to arbitrarily determine who is to be punished without due process.


without due process.....without due process.....without due process......YOU set yourself up to have others pave your living via OTHERS processes....
what FOOL AMERICAN would do that??????

http://strike-the-root.com/just-say-no

although I think union workers are political podium pucks, only used when trying to get the masses to 'look at something else',,,,,I dont feel sorry for
you.....YOU CHOSE TO BE THERE.......I cant help you or defend you because you are ONLY defending your position and livelihood....I have
enough problems defending my own....and that is by the work that I do to the best of my ability


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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What Are CAFRs?
By Walter J. Burien, Jr.
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10-23-6


It has been reported that trillions of collective dollars not shown in government Budget reports are shown through Government CAFR reports and they are virtually never openly-discussed by the syndicated NEWS media, both the Democratic and Republican Party members, the House, Senate, and organized public education. With, and being that the CAFR is "the" accounting document for every local government, and with it being effectively "BLACKED OUT" for open mention over the last 60 years, that this fact of intentional omission of coverage is the biggest conspiracy that has ever taken effect in the United States.  
  
First, what is a CAFR? A CAFR (Comprehensive Annual Financial Report) is government's complete accounting of "Net Worth". The CAFR was established as local government's complete accounting record starting in 1946 through the efforts of a private group located out of Chicago, IL by the name of Government Financial Officers Association (GFOA) http://gfoa.org and became mandatory by Federal requirement on all local governments in 1978 to complete if they did not all ready do so.  
  
What has been presented to the public over that 60 year time period were Budget Reports. A Budget report is strictly planned expenditures for the year from a grouping of specific government service agencies. A budget may also note some statistical, statutory, and demographic data for reference. Most Government budget reports show where "tax" revenue will be used. The CAFR on the other hand is not a projection of one year's expenditures from a select grouping of agencies, but a complete cumulative record of assets, investments, and gross income from all agencies and all sources benefiting that local government body.
  
A CAFR is similar to the Annual Financial Report (AFR) that publicly traded corporations are required to produce each year and give to every share-holder as a requirement of Securities Exchange Commission (SEC) law. In many cases, a CAFR may show two to three times more income over what is shown in the corresponding Budget Report.  
  
Relevant to taxpayer interests, the CAFR "is" the report that would be the report for review over a limit showing as seen in the corresponding Budget report. The CAFR could be considered the Bible of asset accounting for any local government body.  
  
So, is the CAFR being "BLACKED OUT" from mention by the syndicated news media and both the Democratic and Republican Party members, and the House or the Senate, and even organized education?  
  
A Google search for CAFR produces over 750,000 hits but a Google "NEWS" search for CAFR as of 10/21/06 only produces seven (7) obscure hits of simple mention.
  
A corresponding  "NEWS" search in the archives of the New York Times, LA Times, Chicago Tribune, and Wall Street Journal, which go back in their data banks, several decades showed in combination less than seven hits for CAFR. Here with this disparity the answer for "is there a Black-Out from the Syndicated NEWS" agencies? The answer would have to be a clear yes.  
  
Have the school districts from across the USA that educate their students on Budgets, who also produce a CAFR each year made simple and basic mention of the CAFR at any point for education of their students on this basic subject?  No, they have not. Here does a Blackout exist? Apparently, yes is the answer.  
  
Have elected officials or politicians in or running for office who talk continuously about Budgets openly made mention of the greater report of their local city, county, or State the CAFR, linked them at their web sites, or linked for mention in their news letters over the last 60 years?  Virtually not a peep if at all any mention. Here does a Blackout exist? Apparently, yes is the answer.  
  
Are local Government CAFRs sent to all members of the House, Senate, Editors of Local News Papers, News Networks, and Educational department heads? Yes, they have been. The printing of the CAFR is a budgetary item requiring records to be kept as to each sending. The before mentioned representatives have been sent the primary local government CAFR reports relevant to their locale now for over 30 years. Here does a Blackout exist? Apparently, yes is the answer.  
  
Upon overall review of the question: Does a Blackout, and in fact a conspiracy exist towards bringing the CAFR into the light for public scrutiny. Based on the clear record over the last 30 years of abstention from use or mention to the public, the answer here also appears to be a clear yes.  
  
From the over 84,000 CAFR reports produced by local Government each year in combination with Federal Government's own investment holdings, shows a conservative value of sixty trillion dollars held by Local and Federal Government as of 1999. An example of the holdings shown from just one Government CAFR (NY STATE 2005 RETIREMENT FUND CAFR)  [http://www.osc.state.ny.us/retire/aboutus/annrep05/assetlist091405.pdf ] shows 133 billion dollars of investments held (Microsoft 44 million shares thereof).  
  
Motive for conspiracy to Blackout the CAFR from the public's realm of comprehension? The substantial money, Investments, and Power obtained there from of those on the inside track could be the most probable answer.  
  
To Review some CAFRs go to:  http://cafr1.com/STATES/    



...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Derivatives are quickly becoming the instruments of choice for pension funds that want to strategically manipulate their risks. But you must choose your weapon carefully.

Derivatives, once labeled a mere adjunct to stocks and bonds, are fast becoming standard operating procedure for many U.S. pension funds. Derivative use is growing rapidly because these instruments have powerful and broad consequences for portfolio management. They actually permit the plan sponsor to manipulate the shape of the expected return distribution.

Plan sponsors have long invested in a broad range of asset classes to create returns that best offset the range of liabilities they face. In general, earning better returns required either changing the asset-distribution mix or hiring and firing managers. With either method, the return distribution was generally symmetric, at least with traditional securities classes. But with some help from derivatives, managers and sponsors can remove, truncate, emphasize or control risks both tactically and strategically.

For newcomers to the field, a derivatives instrument is a bilateral contract or payments-exchange agreement whose value is measured by the value of one or more underlying instruments, reference points or markets. The term covers a broad range of instruments ranging from options, futures and forwards to customized swaps and combination instruments, such as collars and structured notes. Many investment managers use derivatives to hedge on option overriding programs or to time the buying and selling of securities to keep fully invested. In addition, some managers and sponsors trade bond and index futures to change or rebalance portfolio weightings before buying the underlying securities. However, as plan sponsors increasingly use derivatives directly, the real growth will be in the over-the-counter derivatives markets.

That's because derivatives possess several important attractions for pension-fund sponsors. Once you overcome the initial policy and procedural hurdles, they provide faster and cheaper ways to implement strategies. For example, you can buy a structured note to get into a foreign or international market without hiring a consultant, a global custodian or an expensive investment manager.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Judge Temporarily Blocks Wisconsin's New Labor Law
Published March 18, 2011 | FoxNews.com

A Wisconsin judge on Friday did what 14 fugitive Senate Democrats and tens of thousands of protesters failed to do over three weeks: block Republican Gov. Scott Walker's plan to plug a $137 million state budget shortfall in part by limiting the collective bargaining power of unionized state employees.

Dane County Judge Maryann Sumi issued a temporary restraining order blocking the state's new and contentious collective bargaining law from taking effect, dealing a major setback to Walker and throwing the fate of the law into limbo.

Sumi's order was requested by that county's District Attorney Ismael Ozanne, a Democrat. Ozanne filed a lawsuit contending that a legislative committee that broke a stalemate that had kept the law in limbo for weeks met without the 24-hour notice required by Wisconsin's open meetings law. .....................>>>>..........................>>>>................http://www.foxnews.com/
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remove the unions and show the politicos for what they are......the unions are the smoke to cover the deeds......podium pucks with gangsters....especially
the public unions.....I dont care what happens at a private company but the unions in public sector add alot of crap that prevents the clear view of
our government.....and I DONT FEEL BAD FOR THE WORKERS----YOU CHOSE TO BE A PODIUM PUCK.......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

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Advice for Wisconsin's Gov Walker from a Republican operative with 18 years experience in GOP politics:

~ "I've been involved in GOP politics here in Indiana for 18 years, and I think that the situation in WI presents a good opportunity for what's called a "FALSE FLAG" operation.

If you could employ an associate who pretends to be sympathetic to the unions' cause to PHYSICALLY ATTACK YOU (or even USE A FIREARM AGAINST YOU), you could discredit the public unions."

(Kansas City Star)
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/03/24/2751293/indiana-prosecutor-says-deputy.html


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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