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Boy, for someone who thinks Fox lies and has no credibility, you sure use their links/videos a lot Tom.
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Boy, for someone who thinks Fox lies and has no credibility, you sure use their links/videos a lot Tom.


If I quoted NPR, CNN, or any of the other alphabet news groups, all I hear is Conservative screams of "LIBERAL BIAS", and the discussion ends.  They usually fly into a rant or a rage and can't calm down for at least an hour!


Since many on the Right only trust the Fairly Unbalanced Faux News, it's easier to post their propaganda as truth.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Cicero,

... So may Wisconsin's Gov Wilson have "awakened a sleeping giant of American Workers, united them, and filled them with a terrible resolve".


How are Democrats going to lead American Workers?  Who are they going to lead them against?  Big Business?  Wall Street?  Democrats support of bailouts and TARP, destroying their moral authority to lead Workers against their sworn enemy - their "rich" employer.  The more this onion peels, the more the Democrats and the union leaders will be seen as using the American Worker as a pawn in their political game.  Democrats and their union bosses are living high on the hog off of the Workers labor.  How is Obama going to explain away the fact all of his financial advisors are Wall Street "fat cats", not labor leaders.  

I predict book sales of Animal Farm will be going up in the coming months, driven by ex-state government union employees.  Obama's playing the part of Napoleon and their union boss is Snowball, and they will see themselves as Boxer, the most hard working loyal laborer that gets screwed in the end.(By none other than their own leader)


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Union Power for Thee, But Not for Me
By KIMBERLEY A. STRASSEL

The union horde is spreading, from Madison to Indianapolis to a state capital near you. And yet the Democratic and union bigwigs engineering the outrage haven't directed their angry multitudes at what is arguably the most "hostile workplace" in the nation: Washington, D.C.

It will no doubt surprise you to learn that President Obama, the great patron of the working man, also happens to be the great CEO of one of the least union-friendly shop floors in the nation.

This is, after all, the president who has berated Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker's proposal to limit the collective bargaining rights of public employees, calling the very idea an "assault on unions." This is also the president who has sicced his political arm, Organizing for America, on Madison, allowing the group to fill buses and plan rallies. Ah, but it's easy to throw rocks when you live in a stone (White) house.

Fact: President Obama is the boss of a civil work force that numbers up to two million (excluding postal workers and uniformed military). Fact: Those federal workers cannot bargain for wages or benefits. Fact: Washington, D.C. is, in the purest sense, a "right to work zone." Federal employees are not compelled to join a union, nor to pay union dues. Fact: Neither Mr. Obama, nor the prior Democratic majority, ever acted to give their union chums a better federal deal.

Scott Walker, eat your heart out.

For this enormous flexibility in managing his work force, Mr. Obama can thank his own party. In 1978, Democratic President Jimmy Carter, backed by a Democratic Congress, passed the Civil Service Reform Act. Washington had already established its General Schedule (GS) classification and pay system for workers. The 1978 bill went further, focused as it was on worker accountability and performance. It severely proscribed the issues over which employees could bargain, as well as prohibited compulsory union support.

Democrats weren't then (and aren't now) about to let their federal employees dictate pay. The GS system, as well as the president and Congress, sees to that. Nor were they about to let workers touch health-care or retirement plans. Unions are instead limited to bargaining over personnel employment practices such as whether employees are allowed to wear beards, or whether the government must pay to clean uniforms. These demands matter, though they are hardly the sort to break the federal bank.

Which is precisely the point. Washington politicians may not know much, but they know power—in particular, the art of keeping it. Even Carter Democrats understood the difference between being in electoral debt to the unions, and being outright owned by them. And as Gov. Walker will attest, allowing unions to collectively bargain over pay and benefits is allowing them the keys to the statehouse.

Innocent Americans assume that unions use collective bargaining solely to obtain better pay and benefits. Not exactly. The real game is to insist that the dough runs through the union—giving it power over the state.

In Wisconsin, for instance, the teachers union doesn't just bargain for more health dollars. It also bargains to require that local school districts buy health insurance for their teachers through the union-affiliated health-insurance plan, called WEA Trust. That requirement gives the union (not the state) ultimate say over health benefits. It also costs the state at least $68 million more annually than it would if schools could buy the state-employee health plan—money that goes to a union outfit.

Since Washington pols aren't about to let unions run their town, the result is a weird bifurcation. On the state level, union campaign dollars are primarily contingent upon Democrats agreeing to allow public-employee unions to milk taxpayers dry. On the federal level, union dollars are primarily contingent upon Democrats agreeing to pervert federal laws and institutions so that private-sector unions get special privileges over employers and nonunion companies—consider project-labor agreements, Davis-Bacon and card check.

All of this helps explain why Mr. Obama has gone quiet on Wisconsin, and why Organizing for America is scurrying to hide its involvement. The president's initial instinct was to jump into the state, a 2012 battleground area where he might build points with his liberal base.

The White House has since sensed danger. As the world is painfully aware, Mr. Obama is under no obligation to balance his budget. So to whack Gov. Walker for his efforts to do so might strike some Americans as irresponsible, especially as the president is working to convince them that he really does care about deficits.

The other risk: The spotlight turns back to D.C. If the president is so worried about Wisconsin's "assault," why has he never taken up federal bargaining rights? If the Badger State's current system is the gold standard, why has he not replicated it? If it is so important that all parties "sit at the table"—as White House Press Secretary Jay Carney recently lectured Wisconsin—how dare Mr. Obama unilaterally declare a federal pay freeze? (Honestly, the union-busting gall!)

The debate over public-union giveaways has only started. That debate would benefit were Mr. Obama to explain how it is that Wisconsin is wrong to ask for the same budget flexibility that he enjoys as president. If he's unable to do that, perhaps the debate ought to be over.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748703530504576164822561737348.html


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If the Badger State's current system is the gold standard, why has he not replicated it? If it is so important that all parties "sit at the table"—as White House Press Secretary Jay Carney recently lectured Wisconsin—how dare Mr. Obama unilaterally declare a federal pay freeze? (Honestly, the union-busting gall!)


Check aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand MATE!

Obama knows Ole' Boxer ole boy isn't smart enough to know when he is being used for his gain.


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Ed Schultz issues warning to Obama: Come to Madison or be a one-term President

    * February 25th, 2011 12:57 pm PT


MSNBC host Ed Schultz - the man who once had a good laugh over the idea of a collar that would electrocute Glenn Beck - issued a dire warning to President Obama from the streets of Madison, Wisconsin:

“If the President can’t go on a road trip or say more than one sound bite to a local affiliate, and realize that this is what 2012 is all about, if he can’t unequivocally come out in support of every protester that has been out there peacefully trying to fight for their way of life and protect their kitchen table, if this president can’t do that, then he does not deserve a second term.”

In all fairness to Schultz, the President did make such a promise in 2007 while campaigning in South Carolina, as Jonathon M. Seidl reminds readers at The Blaze.

“And understand this: If American workers are being denied their right to organize and collectively bargain when I’m in the White House, I’ll put on a comfortable pair of shoes myself, I’ll walk on that picket line with you as President of the United States of America. Because workers deserve to know that somebody is standing in their corner.”

While the President himself has not made the trip to Madison to personally participate in the insurrection, his campaign arm Organizing for America and the Democratic National Committee have been deeply involved, providing support and protesters to the effort.

On Thursday, however, the President appeared to backpedal from his earlier commitment.  Former SEIU President Andy Stern told Fox News:

    "I don't think the president's involvement in making this a Republican and Democrat issue would be particularly helpful at this point."


Continue reading on Examiner.com: Ed Schultz issues warning to Obama: Come to Madison or be a one-term President - Spokane Conservative | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/conser.....sident#ixzz1F282qyHl


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How are Democrats going to lead American Workers?  Who are they going to lead them against?  Big Business?  Wall Street?  Democrats support of bailouts and TARP, destroying their moral authority to lead Workers against their sworn enemy - their "rich" employer.  The more this onion peels, the more the Democrats and the union leaders will be seen as using the American Worker as a pawn in their political game.  Democrats and their union bosses are living high on the hog off of the Workers labor.  How is Obama going to explain away the fact all of his financial advisors are Wall Street "fat cats", not labor leaders.  

I predict book sales of Animal Farm will be going up in the coming months, driven by ex-state government union employees.  Obama's playing the part of Napoleon and their union boss is Snowball, and they will see themselves as Boxer, the most hard working loyal laborer that gets screwed in the end.(By none other than their own leader)


Blah Blah Blah...

My post was about the American Worker... not your anti Democrat rant.

Once again:

Wisconsin's Gov Wilson have "awakened a sleeping giant of American Workers, united them, and filled them with a terrible resolve".


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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if the president did that.....there would be anarchy and chaos.....as much as I am for everyone's right to collective bargaining (if it needs to be)
is as much as I know it has become a one sided podium puck.....do it yourself that's why you have union bosses you fools......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Tax breaks and subsidies for the Rich & Powerful...

and "Sacrifices" from those who actually WORK for a living.

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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Rich is subjective.....but we keep giving them $$ in stupid ways too.....like the Kardashians/Nascar/nfl/reality TV.....they will always exist...I dont care if
a PRIVATE company(GE/GM etc) have unions, they made their bed.....but public unions are used a podium pucks and political gas....remove them
from the equation and we are good to go....they made themselves victims....if public workers feel so bad about private rich folks then guess what,,join
a union in a private company like GE/GM etc......but dont 'F' it up for the rest of us that are like you.....because those in charge know how to divide
and conquer the masses and that is why the public unions were allowed to become 'Rosemary's baby'.......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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I also hope that Walker wakes up the sleeping people that have to pay for these public servants salaries and benefits and realize that many of the taxpayers are out of work, taken down grades but the public employees got raises paid for by the taxpayer. Maybe all public. unions should function the same way the Federal Employees Union does and only be allowed to bargain for wages and personnel issues.
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Once again:

Wisconsin's Gov Wilson have "awakened a sleeping giant of American Workers, united them, and filled them with a terrible resolve".


You have awakened the sleeping giant, and exposed the greedy teachers unions.  The facade has been scrapped away.  The "it's all about the children" line the unions use to squeeze the taxpayers year in and year out is gone after watching them on display in Madison.  They had NO PROBLEM getting fake doctors notes to skip school, neglecting those poor,,,poor,,,poor,,,children that they care sooooo much about.  Power and money come first, the children - a distant 3rd.  And they actually had the gull to drag kid out of their classrooms to protest on their behalf.  The selfishness couldn't have been more apparent to the American taxpayer.  I predict that those rarely attended local school board meeting will be seeing a rise in attendance around the country.

The Goliath hasn't been awakened but rather EXPOSED, and David - the American taxpayer, will ultimately slay the beast.


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I also hope that Walker wakes up the sleeping people that have to pay for these public servants salaries and benefits and realize that many of the taxpayers are out of work, taken down grades but the public employees got raises paid for by the taxpayer. Maybe all public. unions should function the same way the Federal Employees Union does and only be allowed to bargain for wages and personnel issues.


ahhhhh YUP....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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