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The Federal budget wasn't balanced until Fiscal 1998  --- I showed you the evidence of that.  Your response doesn't disprove my point.


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I'll admit that I may not have agreed with every policy of the Reagan presidency -- but probably I probably agreed with a lot more than the  Nattering Nayboobs would expect or give me credit for.

I will say this -- Ronald Reagan was a true believer in America and he restored our sense of patriotism and optimism.    I have NEVER apologized for being an American -- and that is why I would rather have 100 Ronald Reagan's in our town hall, city hall, county and state houses, White House than even 1 naysayer who tears down and diminishes our community and our country,  He was a complex man who could speak simply to us folks.   He could look the Soviets in the eye and tell them simply  -- America will win the Cold War ...   and we did.

Beyond what he accomplished in his presidency,  I admire Ronald Reagan for being a good television and movie actor -- for being an outspoken for American ingenuity and self-reliance.    

Though Mr. Reagan would have been 100 years old on Sunday, February 6, 2011 -- the words of the Rod Stewart song come to mind ---  let me paraphrase ---    Mr. Reagan, you and your values, ideals and wisdom shall always remain for me ... forever young.   God Bless you Mr. President and God Bless the USA !!!!!!!


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the loosening of the financial rules came after the budget came into balance in Fiscal 1988 --- the GOP really balanced the budget in the 1990's through the efforts of  FIRST -- President George HW Bush in getting the Democratic Congress to agree to "spending caps" in 1990 and Newt Gingrinch the GOP in Congress forcing Clinton and the Democrats in Congress to abide by the original "spending caps" and go further.

There are some analysts who suggest that the Federal budget was not truly balanced in the late 1990's --  #1) because FICA contributions were at historically high levels as baby Boomers entered there peak earning years  -- if you "back out" FICA contributions (which  IMHO should not be added to the General Fund) the Federal Budget would have still been in deficit in the late 1990's.

#2) and I admit that I can't find the documentation to prove this -- but a former Clinton administration official admitted that the Clinton White House "doctored" some numbers in the late 1990's which made federal revenues and spending - and the economic outlook - look better than they really were.    So the claims that "W" Bush spoiled the Clinton plan for at least 10 years of balanced budgets was totally bogus .... teh FACT is that Clinton's forecasts of balanced budgets for the next 10 years (beginning in 199 was  based on fuzzy numbers.

(On Bush -- remember this is when he gave in to the new taxes to get the "budget caps"... I quite distinctly remember him saying that he would rather be a one term president and move the US towards a balanced budget.)  


DVOR,
Factcheck.org on this issue:

February 3, 2008

Q:     
During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?

A:     
Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not.

(Factcheck.org)
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/during_the_clinton_administration_was_the_federal.html





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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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I'll admit that I may not have agreed with every policy of the Reagan presidency -- but probably I probably agreed with a lot more than the  Nattering Nayboobs would expect or give me credit for.

I will say this -- Ronald Reagan was a true believer in America and he restored our sense of patriotism and optimism.    I have NEVER apologized for being an American -- and that is why I would rather have 100 Ronald Reagan's in our town hall, city hall, county and state houses, White House than even 1 naysayer who tears down and diminishes our community and our country,  He was a complex man who could speak simply to us folks.   He could look the Soviets in the eye and tell them simply  -- America will win the Cold War ...   and we did.

Beyond what he accomplished in his presidency,  I admire Ronald Reagan for being a good television and movie actor -- for being an outspoken for American ingenuity and self-reliance.    

Though Mr. Reagan would have been 100 years old on Sunday, February 6, 2011 -- the words of the Rod Stewart song come to mind ---  let me paraphrase ---    Mr. Reagan, you and your values, ideals and wisdom shall always remain for me ... forever young.   God Bless you Mr. President and God Bless the USA !!!!!!!


the cold war isn't any different than global warming.....there ALWAYS needs to be a 'common enemy' to keep the glue sticky.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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I'll admit that I may not have agreed with every policy of the Reagan presidency -- but probably I probably agreed with a lot more than the  Nattering Nayboobs would expect or give me credit for.

I will say this -- Ronald Reagan was a true believer in America and he restored our sense of patriotism and optimism.    I have NEVER apologized for being an American -- and that is why I would rather have 100 Ronald Reagan's in our town hall, city hall, county and state houses, White House than even 1 naysayer who tears down and diminishes our community and our country,  He was a complex man who could speak simply to us folks.

7 Mr. Reagan, you and your values, ideals and wisdom shall always remain for me ... forever young.   God Bless you Mr. President and God Bless the USA !!!!!!!


Toward the end of his presidency, I saw a poll that asked "what do you think of Ronald Reagan as President"?
The response was largely positive.
Then they asked "What do you think of these 5 policies" (Followed by 5 Reagan Policies)
The response was mostly negative.

People liked Reagan, but separated that from his policy, which they disliked.
Reagan was all sizzle and no steak... all positive image, with negative policy.

Your post seems to follow his image, not his substance.



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Quoted from Box A Rox
DVOR,
Factcheck.org on this issue:

February 3, 2008

Q:     
During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?

A:     
Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not.

(Factcheck.org)
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/during_the_clinton_administration_was_the_federal.html





A balanced budget means that the deficit is erased ---  we still had a HUGE outstanding national debt ...    
oh -- and  again -- Clinton did NOT balance the budget by his own actions ... he was part lucky --- the record high FICA contributions inflating the revenue to the General Fund of the US  .. and he was part forced into it by  Newt Gingrinch and Congressional Republicans forcing him to abide by the spending caps.    
Clinton and Senate Leader Daschle and Speaker Foley fought tooth and nail to   raise spending way above the spending caps. Fortunately,  Gingrinch won that argument.


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
Lyndon Baines Johnson
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Quoted from Box A Rox

Toward the end of his presidency, I saw a poll that asked "what do you think of Ronald Reagan as President"?
The response was largely positive.
Then they asked "What do you think of these 5 policies" (Followed by 5 Reagan Policies)
The response was mostly negative.

People liked Reagan, but separated that from his policy, which they disliked.
Reagan was all sizzle and no steak... all positive image, with negative policy.

Your post seems to follow his image, not his substance.



#1 - I don't base my opinions on public opinion polls
#2 - Mr. Reagan was a decent man that I admire very much  .. I admire him as much as I admire both President Roosevelts and Lyndon Johnson  ---   between those 4 and James A. Garfield  .. you have my favoriteUS Presidents.
#3 - I have to disagree in you last point ... Mr. Reagan was a man of substance .. his principles and goals were clearly defined.     I am proud to say that I voted for him for President  BOTH times.


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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
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