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If you are at all interested in watching any of the webcasts or viewing a lot of other material celebrating the life of Ronald Wilson Reagan -- go to  http://www.reaganfoundation.org

February 6, 2011 will be the 100th anniversary of the Great Communicator's birth.  

Today, February 2, 2011  at  4 PM PST    (7 PM EST) there will be a live webcast hosted by Tom Brokaw -- the link is available at   http://www.reaganfoundation.org



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February 6, 2011 will be the 100th anniversary of the Great Communicator's birth.  


I thought the death and resurrection was to be celebrated?


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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I thought the death and resurrection was to be celebrated?


They are celebrating Reagan's life on the centennial of his birth.   It is a good time to reflect on the many good things that Reagan did in his life and presidency.


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They are celebrating Reagan's life on the centennial of his birth.   It is a good time to reflect on the many good things that Reagan did in his life and presidency.


did you really think I wasn't joking? because right now, I'm thinking you are....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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did you really think I wasn't joking? because right now, I'm thinking you are....


I just think it is a good time to celebrate Ronald Reagan's life.   I always like the man -- my mother liked Ronal Reagan so much that she named me after him.    My Dad wasn't too crazy about that.    It wasn't so much apolitical thing as Reagan was still hosting Death Valley Days and working for GE as a spokesperson at the time.
But my mom always had a "thing" for the Gipper.


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Take the time to check out the Reagan Foundation  (link provided on the first post of this thread) ...
and celebrate the 100th anniversary of the birth of the Great Communicator this weekend.


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Ronny the actor, Ronny the Union Official, Ronny the GE Spokesman, Ronny the President...
For me he will always be Bedtime for Bonzo!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Ronny the actor, Ronny the Union Official, Ronny the GE Spokesman, Ronny the President...
For me he will always be Bedtime for Bonzo!


My favorite Ronald Reagan movie is Kings Row.  

I am glad that I got to see President and Mrs. Reagan in Denver in 1981.  


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Ronny the actor, Ronny the Union Official, Ronny the GE Spokesman, Ronny the President...
For me he will always be Bedtime for Bonzo!


Of course you will, he was a Republican.


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Reagan marked a departure from traditional "FISCAL CONSERVATIVES", a group that had some very needed virtues, to the modern "Just Borrow The Money" Conservatives.
I remember the Reagan campaign promise... "I'll balance the budget by 1984." (Actually the first balanced budget turned out to be in Clinton's second year as president).

"Fiscal Conservatives" acted as a needed restraint to "Tax & Spend" Democrats... but when Reagan started borrowing like there was no tomorrow, and there was no Conservative opposition to more borrowing... the stage was set for the Bush Economic Meltdown.

There hasn't been a real Fiscal Conservative since Barry Goldwater.


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Reagan marked a departure from traditional "FISCAL CONSERVATIVES", a group that had some very needed virtues, to the modern "Just Borrow The Money" Conservatives.
I remember the Reagan campaign promise... "I'll balance the budget by 1984." (Actually the first balanced budget turned out to be in Clinton's second year as president).

"Fiscal Conservatives" acted as a needed restraint to "Tax & Spend" Democrats... but when Reagan started borrowing like there was no tomorrow, and there was no Conservative opposition to more borrowing... the stage was set for the Bush Economic Meltdown.

There hasn't been a real Fiscal Conservative since Barry Goldwater.


you forget it was a generational change.....like now.....when he was elected it was the height of the boomers procreation and the
rearing of their offspring......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Reagan marked a departure from traditional "FISCAL CONSERVATIVES", a group that had some very needed virtues, to the modern "Just Borrow The Money" Conservatives.
I remember the Reagan campaign promise... "I'll balance the budget by 1984." (Actually the first balanced budget turned out to be in Clinton's second year as president).

"Fiscal Conservatives" acted as a needed restraint to "Tax & Spend" Democrats... but when Reagan started borrowing like there was no tomorrow, and there was no Conservative opposition to more borrowing... the stage was set for the Bush Economic Meltdown.

There hasn't been a real Fiscal Conservative since Barry Goldwater.



hmm -- the first balanced budget came later in ... in the 2nd term of Clinton .. .but only because George HW Bush  and the GOP had forced the Democrats in Congress in 1990 to agree to spending caps and only because Newt Gingrinch and the GOP  shut down the government when Clinton and Sen Daschle tried to break the spending caps.     Clinton wouldn't have balanced the budget -- unless he was forced to --- and he was forced to stick to the spending caps.

As for Reagan -- and any deficit spending during his presidency --- Democratic controlled House and Senate added billions to Reagan's budgets every year that he was in office.    When Reagan tried to  reduce the "projected budget increases"  ---- the Democrats in Congress screamed bloody murder.  

BTW --- Reagan's increase in the Defense budget was a good thing --- Presidents and Congresses in the 1970's had emasculated our armed forces and intelligence agencies.    Reagan brought  the spending where it needed to be and won the Cold War.    


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hmm -- the first balanced budget came later in ... in the 2nd term of Clinton .. .but only because George HW Bush  and the GOP had forced the Democrats in Congress in 1990 to agree to spending caps and only because Newt Gingrinch and the GOP  shut down the government when Clinton and Sen Daschle tried to break the spending caps.     Clinton wouldn't have balanced the budget -- unless he was forced to --- and he was forced to stick to the spending caps.

As for Reagan -- and any deficit spending during his presidency --- Democratic controlled House and Senate added billions to Reagan's budgets every year that he was in office.    When Reagan tried to  reduce the "projected budget increases"  ---- the Democrats in Congress screamed bloody murder.  

BTW --- Reagan's increase in the Defense budget was a good thing --- Presidents and Congresses in the 1970's had emasculated our armed forces and intelligence agencies.    Reagan brought  the spending where it needed to be and won the Cold War.    


NO DVOR... the first balanced budget since Reagan came in Clinton's 2nd year, not his second term.
It set up the economic prosperity that lasted until G Worst Bush.



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NO DVOR... the first balanced budget since Reagan came in Clinton's 2nd year, not his second term.
It set up the economic prosperity that lasted until G Worst Bush.



From the CATO Institute --1999 --   Notice the chart at the end of the article -- the budget did not have a surplus until Fiscal 1998 --- Fiscal 1998 fell in the 2nd year of Bill Clinton's SECOND TERM.  Not the second year of his first term.

No, Bill Clinton Didn't Balance the Budget

by Stephen Moore


This article appeared on cato.org on October 8, 1998.

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Let us establish one point definitively: Bill Clinton didn't balance the budget. Yes, he was there when it happened. But the record shows that was about the extent of his contribution.

Many in the media have flubbed this story. The New York Times on October 1st said, "Clinton balances the budget." Others have praised George Bush. Political analyst Bill Schneider declared on CNN that Bush is one of "the real heroes" for his willingness to raise taxes -- and never mind read my lips. (Once upon a time, lying was something that was considered wrong in Washington, but under the last two presidents our standards have dropped.) In any case, crediting George Bush for the end of the deficit requires some nifty logical somersaults, since the deficit hit its Mount Everest peak of $290 billion in St. George's last year in office.

And 1993 -- the year of the giant Clinton tax hike -- was not the turning point in the deficit wars, either. In fact, in 1995, two years after that tax hike, the budget baseline submitted by the president's own Office of Management and Budget and the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office predicted $200 billion deficits for as far as the eye could see. The figure shows the Clinton deficit baseline. What changed this bleak outlook?

Stephen Moore is director of fiscal policy studies at the Cato Institute.

Newt Gingrich and company -- for all their faults -- have received virtually no credit for balancing the budget. Yet today's surplus is, in part, a byproduct of the GOP's single-minded crusade to end 30 years of red ink. Arguably, Gingrich's finest hour as Speaker came in March 1995 when he rallied the entire Republican House caucus behind the idea of eliminating the deficit within seven years.



We have a balanced budget today that is mostly a result of 1) an exceptionally strong economy that is creating gobs of new tax revenues and 2) a shrinking military budget. Social spending is still soaring and now costs more than $1 trillion.

Skeptics said it could not be done in seven years. The GOP did it in four.

Now let us contrast this with the Clinton fiscal record. Recall that it was the Clinton White House that fought Republicans every inch of the way in balancing the budget in 1995. When Republicans proposed their own balanced-budget plan, the White House waged a shameless Mediscare campaign to torpedo the plan -- a campaign that the Washington Post slammed as "pure demagoguery." It was Bill Clinton who, during the big budget fight in 1995, had to submit not one, not two, but five budgets until he begrudgingly matched the GOP's balanced-budget plan. In fact, during the height of the budget wars in the summer of 1995, the Clinton administration admitted that "balancing the budget is not one of our top priorities."

And lest we forget, it was Bill Clinton and his wife who tried to engineer a federal takeover of the health care system -- a plan that would have sent the government's finances into the stratosphere. Tom Delay was right: for Clinton to take credit for the balanced budget is like Chicago Cubs pitcher Steve Trachsel taking credit for delivering the pitch to Mark McGuire that he hit out of the park for his 62nd home run.

The figure shows that the actual cumulative budget deficit from 1994 to 1998 was almost $600 billion below the Clintonomics baseline. Part of the explanation for the balanced budget is that Republicans in Congress had the common sense to reject the most reckless features of Clintonomics. Just this year, Bill Clinton's budget proposed more than $100 billion in new social spending -- proposals that were mostly tossed overboard. It's funny, but back in January the White House didn't seem too concerned about saving the surplus for "shoring up Social Security."

Now for the bad news for GOP partisans. The federal budget has not been balanced by any Republican spending reductions. Uncle Sam now spends $150 billion more than in 1995. Over the past 10 years, the defense budget, adjusted for inflation, has been cut $100 billion, but domestic spending has risen by $300 billion.

We have a balanced budget today that is mostly a result of 1) an exceptionally strong economy that is creating gobs of new tax revenues and 2) a shrinking military budget. Social spending is still soaring and now costs more than $1 trillion. Is this the kind of balanced budget that fiscal conservatives want? A budget with no deficit, but that funds the biggest government ever?

So the budget is balanced, but now comes the harder part: cutting the budget. Bill Clinton has laid down a marker in the political debate with his "save Social Security first," gambit. That theme should be turned against him and his government expansionist agenda. Congress should respond: No new government programs until we have fixed Social Security. This means no IMF bailouts. No new day care subsidies. No extending Medicare coverage to 55-year-olds. (Honestly, if Clinton has his way, it won't be long till teenagers are eligible for Medicare.)

The budget surpluses over the next five years could exceed $500 billion. Leaving all of that extra money lying around within the grasp of vote-buying politicians is an invitation to financial mischief. If Congress and the president use the surpluses to fund a new spending spree, we may find that surpluses are more a curse than a blessing.

Who Really Balanced the Budget
Federal Deficits (Billions $)
     Clinton Baseline*      Actual
1994     $203     $203
1995     175     164
1996     205     107
1997     210      22
1998     210     +60
* Congressional Budget Office forecast, April 1995.



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NO DVOR... the first balanced budget since Reagan came in Clinton's 2nd year, not his second term.
It set up the economic prosperity that lasted until G Worst Bush.



yeah, he balanced the budget by loosening the 'rules' on borrowing for home purchases....allowing for folks who really couldn't
afford the upkeep, to purchase homes then pay into the tax levys heaped upon them by the localities, there by lessening the
burden of the Feds to shovel fake $$ down...but they could push those mandates, kind of like a 'Godfather' of sorts......

oh,,,it was balanced for a hot second.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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