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I just love RIGHT WING HYSTERIA!
LMAO
MY TEETH ARE SHARP???

Really???

Maybe your teeth have been sharpened, but it's the same old, dull as a butter knife, lame arguments.

Get GOVERNMENT OUT OF MY PRIVATE LIFE  (Except on this issue)


I am pro-choice.....choice to have sex or not....choice to prevent impregnation or not.....choice to raise children or not......choice
to pay child support or not....choice to get married or not......on and on and on.....

but this guy is an F'EN animal.......he will be judged.....because that is what our system is used for.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Dr. Kermit Gosnell is (apparently) a murderer, and a disgrace to his profession.
  His crimes have little or nothing to do with abortion.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Dr. Kermit Gosnell is (apparently) a murderer, and a disgrace to his profession.
  His crimes have little or nothing to do with abortion.


BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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  His crimes have little or nothing to do with abortion.


Huh?  He is an ABORTION DOCTOR!  How do you separate his PROFESSION from his actions?  It's not like this is just some guy that worked as a car mechanic all of his life then started aborting babies in his basement as a side job to make ends meet.  He was a trained doctor and licensed by the state.  He sold a service to willing customers and made MILLIONS.  He charged a fee to KNOWING women to abort later than 24 weeks.  This went on for 30+ years!  

This is just one example of the unintended consequence that results from the accepted culture of "abortion on demand".

Box, why is he a disgrace to his profession?  They are only clumps of tissue.  You shouldn't care if he made hats out of the aborted fetus' and sold them, it's only tissue.


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CPS is available for those who believe that Child Abuse is acceptable.



Yeah...And the Patriot Act is there to protect the government from those who may be speaking out/plotting against the country.  But you don't have to worry if you're doing nothing wrong.TIC


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Huh?  He is an ABORTION DOCTOR!  How do you separate his PROFESSION from his actions?  It's not like this is just some guy that worked as a car mechanic all of his life then started aborting babies in his basement as a side job to make ends meet.  He was a trained doctor and licensed by the state.  He sold a service to willing customers and made MILLIONS.  He charged a fee to KNOWING women to abort later than 24 weeks.  This went on for 30+ years!  

This is just one example of the unintended consequence that results from the accepted culture of "abortion on demand".

Box, why is he a disgrace to his profession?  They are only clumps of tissue.  You shouldn't care if he made hats out of the aborted fetus' and sold them, it's only tissue.


This doctor took an oath to "do no harm", so for nothing else he is a disgrace to his profession.

Cicero keeps getting very confused...
Dr.  Gosnell is charged with MURDER.  By definition murder is the killing of a human being... in this case, human new born babies.  
Cicero keeps trying to connect the killing of babies to the abortion issue... (of course in his mind they are the same, but most Americans disagree)

Since Cicero has no FACTS to add to his post, he adds emotion and distortion.
First, "abortion on demand"?  (Not in NY State)
then Cicero wants to make hats out of aborted tissue... Pretty sick huh?  But Cicero's intent isn't to use facts, it's to distort facts.

Dr Gosnell is charged with murder.  If he were a plumber or as Cicero posted, a garage mechanic, the charges would be the same.






The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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Women should have control over their own bodies.  But murder is quite evident here.  This is so horrific, we have been talking about only this in my office.  Just disgusting.
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This doctor took an oath to "do no harm", so for nothing else he is a disgrace to his profession.

Cicero keeps getting very confused...
Dr.  Gosnell is charged with MURDER.  By definition murder is the killing of a human being... in this case, human new born babies.  
Cicero keeps trying to connect the killing of babies to the abortion issue... (of course in his mind they are the same, but most Americans disagree)


He was charged with the murder of 7 babies right?

Did the 7 women that the ABORTIONS were performed on charged with accessories to murder?  Did they go to this clinic to have an abortion or premeditated murder of their baby?  If I knowingly drop a baby off for somebody to murder, I'm pretty sure I would be held legally responsible for murder in some degree.  These seven women went to this doctor to terminate a pregnancy, PERIOD.

Dr. Gosnell wasn't a serial baby kill walking the streets like the son of sam.  He was an abortionist; there is no getting around that.  That was his trade.


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Dr.  Gosnell is charged with MURDER.  By definition murder is the killing of a human being... in this case, human new born babies.  


These weren't just "new born" babies, like the women perfomed natural child birth and this madman killed them.  They were drug induced prematurely delivered at 27 weeks with the intent to kill it.  THE WOMEN KNEW.  No blood on their hands?


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These weren't just "new born" babies, like the women perfomed natural child birth and this madman killed them.  They were drug induced prematurely delivered at 27 weeks with the intent to kill it.  THE WOMEN KNEW.  No blood on their hands?


Again:
Statutory Definition of Legal Abortion:     Within first 24 weeks.
  If they were preformed after 24 weeks, then a felony was committed regardless of the outcome.

You are discussing an illegal abortion not a legal one.
An illegal act knowingly preformed by one doctor has nothing to do with a legal procedure preformed by others.  




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Again:
Statutory Definition of Legal Abortion:     Within first 24 weeks.
  If they were preformed after 24 weeks, then a felony was committed regardless of the outcome.

You are discussing an illegal abortion not a legal one.
An illegal act knowingly preformed by one doctor has nothing to do with a legal procedure preformed by others.  




They are knowingly performed after 24 weeks...

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After 24 Weeks
Abortions after 24 weeks are generally available only in order to preserve the health and life of a woman or in cases of severe fetal anomaly.


http://www.prochoice.org/pregnant/options/surgical.html


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They are knowingly performed after 24 weeks...
http://www.prochoice.org/pregnant/options/surgical.html


I posted the part of NY Law that was pertinent, here is more which applies to "after" 24 weeks:

Statutory Definition of Legal Abortion:
~ Within first 24 weeks or necessary to preserve mother's life; if mother performs abortion it must be on the advice of M.D. within the first 24 weeks or to preserve her own life.

~Penalty for Unlawful Abortion:
~ If not justifiable abortional act and after 24 wks., Class E or D felony; if woman dies from act, Class B felony; self-abortion or issuing abortion articles, Class B or A misdemeanor

Consent Requirements:
~ Residency Requirements for Patients     -
~Physician Licensing Requirements     Licensed M.D.; after 12th wk., must be in hospital on in-patient basis.
After 20th wk., 2nd M.D. must be present to handle medical care of any live birth.

This is not the entire NY Law on abortion but just a summary.

As you can see, the case of a live birth is addressed in NY Law.





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Maybe Pennsylvania is still 'in the cave' on this?????


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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Disciplinary action in another state (8/25/10)
Issued Tor. Kermit Barron Gosnell; License # 107476Nature of Complaint:

The physician has been the subject of disciplinary action in another state.

The Pennsylvania State Board of Medicine on 02-22-2010 temporarily suspended the physician's license to practice medicine in the State of Pennsylvania.
Action Taken:

The Commissioner of Health has ordered that the physician shall not practice medicine in the State of New York or in any other jurisdiction where the practice is predicated on a valid New York State license to practice medicine until the final conclusion of a hearing.

State:New York
Issued By:State of New York

Disciplinary action in another state (3/02/10)
Issued Tor. Kermit B. Gosnell; License # C1-0004304Nature of Complaint:

The physician has been the subject of disciplinary action in another state.

The physician has been disciplined by the Pennsylvania Board of Medicine.
Action Taken:

The Delaware Board of Medical Licensure and Discipline has Temporarily Suspended the physician's license to practice medicine in the State of Delaware. Stateelaware
Issued By:State of Delaware

Other (2/22/10)
Issued Tor. Kermit Barron Gosnell; License # MD009422ENature of Complaint:

The Pennsylvania Board of Medicine has determined that the Prosecuting Attorney has alleged facts in the Petition whereby the continued practice of medicine by the physician presents an immediate danger to the health and safety of the public.
Action Taken:

The Pennsylvania Board of Medicine has ordered the Temporary Suspension of the physician's license to practice medicine and surgery in the State of Pennsylvania.
August 16, 2010-Temporary Suspension Continued

The Pennsylvania Board of Medicine has continued the immediate temporary suspension of the physician's license to practice medicine and surgery in the State of Pennsylvania.

Stateennsylvania
Issued By:State of Pennsylvania

What is a Sanction?
Sanctions, also known as disciplinary actions, are actions taken to punish or restrict physicians who have demonstrated professional misconduct. HealthGrades reports state and federal disciplinary actions (if any) from the previous 5 years except when a physician’s license has been revoked or surrendered.

Physicians with a disciplinary action in one state will often move to another state where they may have a clean record. Since HealthGrades painstakingly compiles disciplinary action information from all 50 states, you’ll know if a physician has an action in more than one state.



What this means to you:
If a physician has a sanction, it does not necessarily mean that he or she is a bad doctor. Evaluate the information and determine how severe you think the cause and action were.

HealthGrades reports state and federal sanctions (if any) for the previous five years except when a physician's license has been revoked or surrendered.  




...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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There are cases of medical professionals being serial killers. Jane Toppan (1857-1938 ) was a nurse who killed 31 people, mainly patients for the thrill of killing. When she was fired from two of the hospitals she was working at, she became a private nurse and continued killing. Gosnell is no different. He preyed upon low income clients and savagely killed babies over and over without stopping.

PA does have the death penalty for murder in the first degree. Gosnell should be considered a serial killer and moved to first position on the list.
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