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No. This is actually a biblical reference against rebellion.

Read the story. Gen 38:8-10

It actually has nothing at all to do with masturbation (masturbation is not even in the story).

Also remember to keep it in context. Bear in mind we are in the book of Genesis, which is the first book in the Bible. Since this is the beginning of the world, there are very few people on earth and they were ALL related. (Adam and Eve...their offspring multiplied to populate the world). Anyway, based on the circumstances, God told the people to multiply (so as to populate the world). So it was kinda their duty (otherwise the human race would die out).

Anyway, in this particular instance, Onan's brother died before he had any children, therefore according to custom, it was Onan's duty to sleep with his dead brother's wife in order to produce offspring for his dead brother (to continue the family line). So Onan was specifically instructed to do this. But what does Onan do? He sleeps with the wife, but rather than giving her a baby, he pulls out and let's "his seed spill to the ground." He did this regularly. He wasn't masturbating, he was deliberately making sure the wife wouldn't get pregnant. It was a direct act of rebellion. So God got mad and struck him down. Hey, the earth is new, people need to multiply and populate it. God didn't have time for BS.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

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Baby?  Fetus?  Is there a difference?  
The Dictionary thinks so.
Medical books say there is a huge difference.
NY State law says there is a difference.
Why use a different word if BABY is a FETUS?

Once again... an egg is not a chicken.
A carrot seed is not a Carrot.
A pig is not a pork roast.
and we are all pretty much in agreement.
EXCEPT if your a right winger... for those on the right:
an egg is not a chicken.
A carrot seed is not a Carrot.
A pig is not a pork roast.
BUT
a FETUS is a BABY.  

It isn't a 'mistake' that they confuse the two... selective blindness to promote an agenda.


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Show this picture of a baby at 24 week gestation to a 5 year old and ask them what that clump of cells is.  I showed it to my kids, they figured out what it is.  They haven't been indoctrinated yet and convinced by warped liberals that it is just a clump of random cells similar to cancer.





Box, your agenda is to dehumanize a human to promote your death agenda.


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it's not a tragedy....it's a fact of life over many many many many generations.....long before christ or any other of the religious
leaders.....they speak personally to each person....a person chooses to give child breath and even then they dont give life......and even before that argument is had a person chooses to have/not have sex....



You are correct, since the beginning of time these tragedies happened.  But.. As humans progressed from anarchy and natural law, to community and now modern civilization, humans created governments and made laws to protect the weak from the wrath of the strong.  We've progressed quite far since those days, and in America the protection of human rights and civil liberties is the cornerstone of our society.  The unborn are the last to recieve the protections from these human rights violations.


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I call aborting a fetus abortion.
You call aborting a fetus murder.

I call a fetus a "fetus".
You call a fetus a "baby".

So many of the Anti Choice videos are bogus, intentional lies, that no one actually believes any of them.  They claim to show a legal abortion, but in fact they are showing late term abortions as if they were the norm.

When a fetus is a "baby", and aborting a 6 week fetus is "murder" along with false video's promoted as genuine...
Who would take anything from the "anti choice crowd seriously.

Like the boy who cried wolf, they have lost all credibility.


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Show this picture of a baby at 24 week gestation to a 5 year old and ask them what that clump of cells is.  I showed it to my kids, they figured out what it is.  They haven't been indoctrinated yet and convinced by warped liberals that it is just a clump of random cells similar to cancer.





Box, your agenda is to dehumanize a human to promote your death agenda.


of course there are also pictures of fetus' in medical books that while they resemble a LIVE baby(breathe on it's own, filter the blood
on it's own etc etc) inside there are missing organs, deformed organs etc....(I'm not saying to abort) but, the argument is
that one is still not guaranteed life even after delivering the fetus into the world making it a human being....

so yes the picture is moving,,,,,but life is not warm and fuzzy and one must know oneself before taking on 'something'(bigger picture)
that has absolutely no directions and do something with it in a world where chaos is held at bay by sticks and stones......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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of course there are also pictures of fetus' in medical books that while they resemble a LIVE baby(breathe on it's own, filter the blood
on it's own etc etc) inside there are missing organs, deformed organs etc....(I'm not saying to abort) but, the argument is
that one is still not guaranteed life even after delivering the fetus into the world making it a human being....

so yes the picture is moving,,,,,but life is not warm and fuzzy and one must know oneself before taking on 'something'(bigger picture)
that has absolutely no directions and do something with it in a world where chaos is held at bay by sticks and stones......


Just because they're not breathing oxygen on their own like you and I, doesn't mean they're not respirating.  They absorb oxygen through the umbilical cord.

Of all people Senders, I thought you would realize that.

Using your analogy, those on ventilators shouldn't be living either.

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Just because they're not breathing oxygen on their own like you and I, doesn't mean they're not respirating.  They absorb oxygen through the umbilical cord.

Of all people Senders, I thought you would realize that.

Using your analogy, those on ventilators shouldn't be living either.



"Those on ventilators are Human Beings... those in the womb are not.  
But to your point.
If a Human Being opts not to suffer or be kept alive artificially... they may be legally allowed to die.  Also Not MURDER.


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America is PRO CHOICE!

76% of Americans want abortion to be legal, and available.

Only 22% of Americans want abortion to be illegal.

Many who identify themselves as "Pro Life" do so as a private personal choice, but still want abortion to be legal for others.



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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Box,

I suppose if you ran a similar survey in 1860 --- a majority of Americans would have approved of slavery, too.
Majority approval does not make something morally right.


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Just because they're not breathing oxygen on their own like you and I, doesn't mean they're not respirating.  They absorb oxygen through the umbilical cord.

Of all people Senders, I thought you would realize that.

Using your analogy, those on ventilators shouldn't be living either.



just like the definition of life....what is it? which brings us back around to the front of the arguement again(we are all good at that
aren't we ) anyhow,,,, I know what respirations are and the mechanics of it......what is the difference
between life and living....

a living human being vs a life of a human being

a living human being has made a cognizant choice to live that life
a human being having life doesn't mean it is living

hence the human being on a ventilator has life, yes, but are they living?....Christopher Reeves made his CHOICE to have a life
living as he did...why? because he had history, HIS history behind him to compel him to do that......



...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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Box,

I suppose if you ran a similar survey in 1860 --- a majority of Americans would have approved of slavery, too.
Majority approval does not make something morally right.


personally right/wrong.....a baby in ANY womans womb doesn't make it morally yours....UNLESS of course you choose to line up
and put your name on the birth cert AND agree to raise the child together even through arguments and the pits of hell which include
no golfing/bowling/hobbies/me time etc etc.........

go ahead,,,I applaud you....

if you want to play then go ahead,,,but dont ever worry or concern yourself about what ever happened to the fetus.....go golfing....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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