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threeprongplug
January 30, 2011, 10:54am Report to Moderator
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... Both decisions decided the legal value of human life and the constitutional protections they were extended.  The high rate, at which African American's are having abortions proportionate to Whites, makes American abortion policy look like a form of legal fetal genocide.

If you keep the inner city African Americans ignorant and limit their upward mobility through poor public education, thereby creating a dependency on the government and the welfare state, and then keep their birth rates down by putting a planned parenthood on every corner to prevent any real power in this representative democracy, you have the recipe of a permanent underclass and democrat party constituents for the white democrat party leadership.



Sounds like a conveniently vague comparison.    Wavy line next to a straight line.   Bottom line is choice is what is at stake here.   Pro-life is making the decision for all of us on a long debated topic.   What came first ? The chicken or the egg?   I guess the option of making that choice will be gone because of a religious stance.    Do you agree that making this parallel comparison of slavery and abortion is a dogear for an agenda ?  If you can then I believe you will be able to understand what you are really fighting for.   If I am coming across as condescending it isn't my intention.

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Sounds like a conveniently vague comparison.    Wavy line next to a straight line.   Bottom line is choice is what is at stake here.   Pro-life is making the decision for all of us on a long debated topic.   What came first ? The chicken or the egg?   I guess the option of making that choice will be gone because of a religious stance.    Do you agree that making this parallel comparison of slavery and abortion is a dogear for an agenda ?  If you can then I believe you will be able to understand what you are really fighting for.   If I am coming across as condescending it isn't my intention.


If Cicero's analogy is correct, than it is legal government Genocide under the guise of Abortion/prochoice.


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


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If Cicero's analogy is correct, than it is legal government Genocide under the guise of Abortion/prochoice.



A dangerously contrived analogy.  IMHO.
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Sounds like a conveniently vague comparison.    Wavy line next to a straight line.   Bottom line is choice is what is at stake here.   Pro-life is making the decision for all of us on a long debated topic.  


No, Pro-Life is protecting a child’s right to life guaranteed under the Constitution.  So with life biologically determined to begin at conception, Roe v Wade determined when that Human Life was granted Constitutional Rights.  

In our society we progressed and accept that an African American is not considered 3/5 of a human, but rather a human being guaranteed ALL protections of the Constitution.  Hopefully soon we will progress to a time that accepts a human fetus as a living human and grant them those same Constitutional Rights.


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A dangerously contrived analogy.  IMHO.


Of course, if you keep the African American community impoverished, uneducated and ignorant to the consequences of their "choice", then offer them the solution of the path of least resistance (abortion clinic on every corner), you can then call it a kind of - free will genocide.  Kinda like methadone to the heroin addict.  


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No, Pro-Life is protecting a child’s right to life guaranteed under the Constitution.  So with life biologically determined to begin at conception, Roe v Wade determined when that Human Life was granted Constitutional Rights.  
In our society we progressed and accept that an African American is not considered 3/5 of a human, but rather a human being guaranteed ALL protections of the Constitution.  Hopefully soon we will progress to a time that accepts a human fetus as a living human and grant them those same Constitutional Rights.

Cicero has more moves than a bottle of X-Lax... he bobs, he weaves, he ducks and even a little rope-a-dope... and very creative but... shy on facts.

He states his views as if they were facts.  Examples:
~ "life biologically determined to begin at conception" (life, but not a human being's life, begins at conception.)
~ "Pro-Life is protecting a child’s right to life guaranteed under the Constitution".  (The Constitution DOES protect a child or adults ... but not the life of what may some day be a human.)

Then, unfortunately, he drags race into the issue.  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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No, Pro-Life is protecting a child’s right to life guaranteed under the Constitution.  So with life biologically determined to begin at conception, Roe v Wade determined when that Human Life was granted Constitutional Rights.  

In our society we progressed and accept that an African American is not considered 3/5 of a human, but rather a human being guaranteed ALL protections of the Constitution.  Hopefully soon we will progress to a time that accepts a human fetus as a living human and grant them those same Constitutional Rights.


Thank you for this illuminating information.  I didn't know that only African-American women were having abortions.   I tend to believe that that isn't true, but we'll have to agree to disagree on the premise that abortion is solely a vehicle to hold minority populations at bay.  

I also will add that making that assertion is also dangerous.
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Of course, if you keep the African American community impoverished, uneducated and ignorant to the consequences of their "choice", then offer them the solution of the path of least resistance (abortion clinic on every corner), you can then call it a kind of - free will genocide.  Kinda like methadone to the heroin addict.  


Adding this kind of agenda to the uneducated population you speak of is unconscionable bull droppings.  Have I mentioned it's dangerous ?

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This bull dropping 'dangerous' analogy is all over the internet and in the minds of many........k?

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Abortion: Black genocide
Posted: February 13, 2008
1:00 am Eastern

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Most of my life I had considered myself a Christian. Yet 18 years ago as I sat quietly and prayed, I experienced a deep realization – I harbored resentment in my heart. The realization caused me to repent and forgive. Forgiveness set me free from within, and I began to see with a clarity I never had before.

Soon after that life-changing experience, I started BOND to help black men overcome their resentments and find freedom. Soon I was helping men of every race as I saw mankind's problems were universal.

I began to counsel young and older women as well. Many of the women I spoke to were having or have had at least one abortion. During the counseling sessions, I discovered that most of these women had guilt and low self-esteem. Often they had considered suicide.

I realized that this problem was not being dealt with by the black clergy or black politicians. In fact, to my surprise, abortion was often actually encouraged by these "leaders."

(Column continues below)



Abortion was first popularized by Margaret Sanger, a white woman who was the founder of the National Birth Control League (now Planned Parenthood). Sanger was a lifelong champion of birth control and eugenics (the movement devoted to "improving" the human species by control of hereditary factors in reproduction).

Margaret Sanger called for the sterilization of "genetically inferior races." In 1939, she organized her "Negro Project" and wrote: "The poorer areas, particularly in the South ... are producing alarmingly more than their share of future generations."

Sanger's plan has worked extraordinarily well over time – today numerous black religious leaders defend the "right" of women to kill their unborn children. It's ironic to me that black leaders complain about racism, yet they promote one of the most racist practices in this country – abortion.

Abortion propagandists have dehumanized the unborn baby just as was done with the Jews in the Holocaust. In his book "Abortion Practice," Warren Hern, M.D. compares the unborn child to a "parasite," which was the exact word Hitler used to dehumanize Jewish people in his infamous "Mein Kampf."

The alarming numbers on abortion:



Since 1973, when abortion became legal there have been more than 14 million black babies killed in the black woman's womb;


Since 1973, more than twice as many blacks have died from abortion than from heart disease, cancer, accidents, violent crimes and AIDS combined;


More than 1, 450 black children are aborted each day in the United States.
(Source: U.S. Center for Disease Control)



this article is too long. you have to read the rest of it here...........Read more: Abortion: Black genocide http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=56202#ixzz1CXppXOQS


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This bull dropping 'dangerous' analogy is all over the internet and in the minds of many........k?



And it should be continously  debunked.  
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Bumble mentions Planned Parenthood.
  One of PP's leading functions is to provide Birth Control... thus reducing the number of abortions.  If Conservatives are REALLY interested in reducing the number of abortions, they should join PP and fight for funding of Birth Control classes and products for poor women.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Adding this kind of agenda to the uneducated population you speak of is unconscionable bull droppings.  Have I mentioned it's dangerous ?



I guess it is an uncomfortable fact for you to accept that nearly 50% of African American pregnancies end in abortion, MUCH higher than any other demographic.  Same with abortion clinics, they are also located in the African American/minority neighborhoods at a MUCH higher proportion than any demographic.  Liberal democrats LOVE social engineering and creating public policy to create social equality. Then why do they have such trouble acknowledging the alarming increased rate of abortion in the African American community since 1973?

I apologize if these startling statistics make you uncomfortable, but I'm just stating the facts.


http://www.blackgenocide.org/cdc_black_abortions.html


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Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in America. 78% of their clinics are in minority communities. Blacks make up 12% of the population, but 35% of the abortions in America. Are we being targeted? Isn't that genocide? We are the only minority in America that is on the decline in population. If the current trend continues, by 2038 the black vote will be insignificant. Did you know that the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a devout racist who created the Negro Project designed to sterilize unknowing black women and others she deemed as undesirables of society? The founder of Planned Parenthood said, "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated." Is her vision being fulfilled today?


[url] http://www.blackgenocide.org/planned.html[/url]





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Cicero--Not sure where you get your facts.  "Abortion Clinics" like what Ellis Hospital and Albany Medical Center are in minority areas.  What BS.  Even Planned Parenthood is located on Lark Street in a Yuppie part of Albany near the Park.  White people have better access to lots of services as you know.  I believe you are pulling your facts out of the air.  I have worked in Arbor Hill and the South End--no abortion clinics near me.  But on more than one occasion, I helped someone get a crib, diapers, formula, a layette, healthcare and counseling with support to get through a pregnancy.  You're whiteness and condescending legal mumbo jumbo has got your head clogged.  

Certainloy AA folks would have a higher rate than others.  They have less access.  But I'll bet you sure are proud of the fact that the US army can get AA young men to go into the service because they promise them all sorts of BS.  
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This bull dropping 'dangerous' analogy is all over the internet and in the minds of many........k?




Source Vital Statistics Center of Disease Control: Stephanie Ventura

"Childbearing among unmarried women has been the subject of intense public policy and public health concern for decades (1,2), much of it reflecting concerns about the impact on family structure and the economic security of children. Nonmarital births are at higher risk of having adverse birth outcomes such as low birthweight, preterm birth, and infant mortality than are children born to married women (2,3). Children born to single mothers typically have more limited social and financial resources (4)."

After looking at the charts and statistics of FACTUAL information it is quite clear that this is more of a problem than abortion will ever approach.
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