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Should Hillary Clinton resign as secretary of state due to the WikiLeaks revelations? My friend Jack Shafer at Slate makes a good case. His reason: Clinton, like predecessor Condoleezza Rice, signed orders instructing U.S. foreign service officers to spy on the diplomats of other nations. Cables went out under her name telling State Department officials overseas to collect the fingerprints, facial images, DNA, and iris scans of African leaders, to obtain passwords, credit card numbers, and frequent flyer accounts used by foreign diplomats, and to gather private information on United Nations officials, including Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon.

Diplomats are not spies (though spies do pose as diplomats). They do collect information -- by working contacts overseas, reviewing the local media, interacting with the population of the nations where they are stationed -- often acquiring intelligence that is as valuable, if not more so, than the secrets snatched by intelligence officials. But there is a line between a diplomat and a spook. The former uses aboveboard methods to find out what his or her government needs to know about other nations; the latter resorts to espionage, wiretaps, bribery, and other underhanded means. There are many reasons for keeping the two roles distinct. Diplomats are awarded immunity and can gain certain access overseas because they are not spies.

Now that the Clinton State Department has blurred the line, U.S. diplomats, who have to contend with the assumption that any U.S. official abroad is really working for the CIA, will have an additional burden to bear when doing their jobs overseas.

Of the many WikiLeaks revelations that have emerged in the past few days -- and more are to come in the next few months, as the renegade website continues to release batches of the 251,287 State Department cables it has obtained -- the news that U.S. diplomats have been turned into part-time spies certainly warrants thorough investigation. Obama administration officials, of course, have tried to make the leak itself the paramount issue. Attorney General Eric Holder has promised prosecutions if "we can find anybody involved in breaking American law." Clinton has called the leak "an attack on America's foreign policy interests," claiming it has endangered "innocent people." Republican Rep. Peter King urged Clinton to determine if WikiLeaks can be designated a terrorist organization. Sen. Joe Lieberman has called on the United States and other governments to shut down WikiLeaks. Sarah Palin, naturally, blamed President Barack Obama's "incompetence" for the leaks, as she erroneously equated this episode with a website posting pages of her new book without her permission.


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Mrs. Clinton will step down as Secretary of State in 2011 --- but not because of Wiki-Leaks --- but to run for
President in 2012.


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Hillary Clinton should resign for encouraging our diplomats to spy on other diplomats and incompetence in mishandling Iran and North Korea's nuclear programs. This is what happens when you make a political deal. She should have never been selected nor approved by the Senate. Hillary Clinton is the worst Secretary of State in modern times.
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Hillary Clinton is the BEST Secretary of State ever.  I wish she were President.  And she would of been President.  I do not believe she will challenge Obama in 2012.
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Name one foreign policy achievement? North Korea has the bomb, Iran's getting the bomb, Saudi Arabia begged us to stop Iran's nuclear program, North Korea sinks a South Korean ship, North Korea bombs a South Korean island, Iran shoots pro-democracy protesters on the streets-and the US does NOTHING. We will be dragged into another war because of her incompetence.

     Feet of clay does not begin to describe Clinton's foreign policy. A total laughing stock with zero foreign policy credentials. Kissing Arafat's wife does not a Secretary of State make.
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Hillary Clinton is the BEST Secretary of State ever.  I wish she were President.  And she would of been President.  I do not believe she will challenge Obama in 2012.


The wheels are already in motion ... Democratic Senators are appalled at the result of the 2010 elections and
blame the Obama White House for their dismal showing.    With many Democratic US Senators up for
reelection in 2012  -- and fearing that Obama at the head of the ticket will cost them their Senate seats individually and control of the Senate altogether ---- > they want someone else at the top of the ticket
Obama will be challenged in the primaries ... one of the challengers will be a "trojan horse" for Hillary Clinton.     Hillary will end up as the Democratic nominee in 2012.


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Hillary Clinton, Julian Assange said, "should resign." Speaking over Skype from an undisclosed location on Tuesday, the WikiLeaks founder was replying to a question by TIME managing editor Richard Stengel over the diplomatic-cable dump that Assange's organization loosed on the world this past weekend. Stengel had said the U.S. Secretary of State was looking like "the fall guy" in the ensuing controversy, and had asked whether her firing or resignation was an outcome that Assange wanted. "I don't think it would make much of a difference either way," Assange said. "But she should resign if it can be shown that she was responsible for ordering U.S. diplomatic figures to engage in espionage in the United Nations, in violation of the international covenants to which the U.S. has signed up. Yes, she should resign over that."

Assange spoke about the latest tranche of documents from WikiLeaks in a 36-minute interview with TIME (the full audio will be available soon on TIME.com). He said there would be more: "We're doing about 80 a day, presently, and that will gradually step up as the other media partners step in." Indeed, every region of the world appears to be bracing for its turn in the WikiLeaks mill. Pakistani officials are almost certain that more revealing documents focusing on their country will come out soon. And the Russian media are anxious to see if future leaks will detail any behind-the-scenes dealings over the August 2008 Russia-Georgia war. (See a TIME profile of Julian Assange.)

Assange said that all the documents were redacted "carefully." "They are all reviewed, and they're all redacted either by us or by the newspapers concerned," he said. He added that WikiLeaks "formally asked the State Department for assistance with that. That request was formally rejected."

Asked what his "moral calculus" was to justify publishing the leaks and whether he considered what he was doing to be "civil disobedience," Assange said, "Not at all. This organization practices civil obedience, that is, we are an organization that tries to make the world more civil and act against abusive organizations that are pushing it in the opposite direction." As for whether WikiLeaks was breaking the law, he said, "We have now in our four-year history, and over 100 legal attacks of various kinds, been victorious in all of those matters." He added, "It's very important to remember the law is not what, not simply what, powerful people would want others to believe it is. The law is not what a general says it is. The law is not what Hillary Clinton says it is."




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The wheels are in motion alright-to make sure that Obama is a one termer and to clean out all his supporters from Washington. This includes horrible Hillary. Hillary's foreign policy is a disaster. This is the same lady that set up a bar bouncer in the White House to review political opponents FBI files. Obama will be challenged just like Jimmy Carter. But not by her-Maybe Bayh? She had a good shot in 2008 and blew it.
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The wheels are in motion alright-to make sure that Obama is a one termer and to clean out all his supporters from Washington. This includes horrible Hillary. Hillary's foreign policy is a disaster. This is the same lady that set up a bar bouncer in the White House to review political opponents FBI files. Obama will be challenged just like Jimmy Carter. But not by her-Maybe Bayh? She had a good shot in 2008 and blew it.


Just think about this for a moment --- Evan Bayh was going to run for president in 2008  -- but after he had
a meeting with Bill Clinton, he agreed to step aside and support Hillary Clinton.   Less than 2 years later, Bayh is prepared to run for reelection to the US Senate but has another meeting with Bill Clinton and decides
to
NOT seek reelection to the US Senate and to consider setting up an exploratory committee for a possible
run for the Democratic nomination in 2012.
Consider -also - that Evan Bayh is one of the more middle of the road Democrats who has always been
a close friend of BOTH   Bill and Hillary Clinton   ....  and consider that Evan Bayh openly criticized Obama
when he made his announcement not to seek reelection  and that Bayh is one of the several prominent
moderate Democrats who warned the White House about the "ice berg"  (better known as the 2010 mid
term elections and potential GOP tsunami)
Now, you can see that if Bayh announces that he is running for the Democratic Presidential nomination that
he  a) has the full support of the Clintons and there massive army of supporters, and b) he could very well
be a "trojan horse" for Hillary's eventual entry into the primary race  -- ala McCarthy in for Bobby Kennedy


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
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